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re: NOLA: "New airport 'like a Mercedes with flat tires'"

Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:40 pm to
BUT IT WASN'T DONE. It was never scheduled, they didn't do anything. Just because it 'is easy' doesn't mean it will get done. Its like you don't realize that the airport is run by the nola guv'ment.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:41 pm to
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What they helped do at Love Field we could have done.


All airlines at Love Field are in the same terminal...
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10068 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:42 pm to
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This could be done in a 1 hour lunch and learn with video.


That would not happen with any airline that has a union. No 'work' on lunch break.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46369 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:46 pm to
Are these issues going to be cleared up by Mardi Gras because frick those lines.
Posted by Harry Caray
Denial
Member since Aug 2009
21045 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:47 pm to
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who ended up missing his 7:10 a.m. flight to Houston after spending an hour and 25 minutes waiting to get through security.
So it sounds like the airport would be less shitty if we started using common sense and got rid of the completely useless TSA.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41081 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:50 pm to
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BUT IT WASN'T DONE. It was never scheduled, they didn't do anything. Just because it 'is easy' doesn't mean it will get done. Its like you don't realize that the airport is run by the nola guv'ment.


Since you seem like you know a lot about this airport...

How many people who work at the airport, are actually employees of the airport itself?

TSA has their own employees
JPSO are all detail
All of the ticket and gate agents work for the airlines
Cab drivers / uber drivers are all independent, as is all the shuttle workers
Rental car companies have their own employees
All of the food / beverage / retail operations are concessions
I believe even the baggage handlers and guys down on the tarmac / driving the jet bridges are all workers of companies that contract with the airport.

So... who actually is an airport employee, for whom the airport had responsibility to train?
Posted by BrotherEsau
Member since Aug 2011
3599 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:51 pm to
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BUT IT WASN'T DONE. It was never scheduled, they didn't do anything. Just because it 'is easy' doesn't mean it will get done. Its like you don't realize that the airport is run by the nola guv'ment.


exactly. easily fixable has no relevance because they likely will not fix it or are incapable of fixing it.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110965 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:54 pm to
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How many people who work at the airport, are actually employees of the airport itself?

TSA has their own employees
JPSO are all detail
All of the ticket and gate agents work for the airlines
Cab drivers / uber drivers are all independent, as is all the shuttle workers
Rental car companies have their own employees
All of the food / beverage / retail operations are concessions
I believe even the baggage handlers and guys down on the tarmac / driving the jet bridges are all workers of companies that contract with the airport.

So... who actually is an airport employee, for whom the airport had responsibility to train?


Who or what particular position is this point supposed to be defending?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38457 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:55 pm to
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Are these issues going to be cleared up by Mardi Gras because frick those lines.








No.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
49017 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:58 pm to
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How many people who work at the airport, are actually employees of the airport itself?

not sure what your point is...they all pull from the same local labor pool. i found every employee i interacted with to be friendly and polite this weekend. they had staffers roaming the floor areas directing traffic and answering questions as well
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:59 pm to
No. I want to scrape all the highway expenditures planned for the new terminal as we would not need it if we move the largest operator back to the old terminal.

Spend money painting and changing the carpet and changing the baggage claim belts and then move Southwest back to whichever terminal concourse they want. Close the rest of it.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41081 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:00 pm to
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Who or what particular position is this point supposed to be defending?


If the poster is saying that a lack of training/knowledge of the new facility, is part of the problem... which entity dropped the ball here?

I don't think it's the aviation board's, or airport management, responsibility to train employees of contractors.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:01 pm to
I have never thought the people actually working in MSY were anything but nice and friendly.

I didn't think we needed another terminal.

BUT since we now have two there is no reason to put up with the consequences of bad design.

Lets take some traffic off the new terminal and send it back to the old.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:02 pm to
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quote:
What they helped do at Love Field we could have done.


All airlines at Love Field are in the same terminal...


Correct and what SWA did there we could have done at MSY but we built a new terminal.

I say give them space in the old and let them remake it for themselves.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46369 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:02 pm to
Damn. Worth it to fly into Baton Rouge and drive to Nola?
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10068 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:03 pm to
The airport itself has employees. They have employees who do parking passes for the workers, they have employees who test and give out SIDA (and lower badges) even cleaning crews.... and it is the AIRPORTS responsibly to train ALL airline/airport personnel on new things such as which doors you can and can't use or where you enter to get to your workplace.

Like you said.... it could be done in an hour..... I'm telling you that the airport never even thought about it until workers started to ask.... 'hey which door do I use to reach my time clock'....
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110965 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:04 pm to
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If the poster is saying that a lack of training/knowledge of the new facility, is part of the problem... which entity dropped the ball here?

I don't think it's the aviation board's, or airport management, responsibility to train employees of contractors.



Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems to me there should have been some sort of overall coordinated effort on such things when doing something as drastic as completely relocating a 21st century mid-major sized airport terminal, no?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41081 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:04 pm to
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No. I want to scrape all the highway expenditures planned for the new terminal as we would not need it if we move the largest operator back to the old terminal.

Spend money painting and changing the carpet and changing the baggage claim belts and then move Southwest back to whichever terminal concourse they want. Close the rest of it


Sigh.

The remaining "highway expenditures" are going to be paid via Garvee bonds which are bonds backed by future federal highway funding. Therefore, they can only be used for... highways. That money can't be used to rebuild an airport terminal.

Southwest is the largest operator at MSY, yes, but it's not a majority of flights. I still believe that even if you did what you suggest (which isn't possible, but I'll play along) you would still have A LOT of traffic at the new terminal, which would necessitate an interstate connection.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10068 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:06 pm to
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airport management, responsibility to train employees of contractors.


So the people who 'run' the airport shouldn't tell workers where/how to enter the building?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:08 pm to
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The remaining "highway expenditures" are going to be paid via Garvee bonds which are bonds backed by future federal highway funding. Therefore, they can only be used for... highways. That money can't be used to rebuild an airport terminal.



I didn't say use the same money.

I say scape that money---it is still taxpayer money.

Save the money they were going to spend to tear it down and let Southwest make whatever improvements they want to make to the concourse they choose.

I know you like to spend on government schools and government projects and things like that but this should be something we should be able to agree on---MUCH better service for the traveling public while saving money.
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