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re: Nissan is in trouble in North America; likely to revive the XTerra SUV

Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:40 am to
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5057 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:40 am to
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Nissan, please


You should have left the 2nd n off.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 9:41 am
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25876 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:42 am to
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Why have they hitched their wagon to the CVT? Get rid of it and go to something that lasts.


I’ve had a Toyota and a Honda with The CVT and they weren’t thinks of shite like the Nissan.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103114 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:43 am to
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they are now known for pushing substandard products to people with bad credit who can't afford to maintain or insure their vehicles properly.


The Mitsubishi plan
Posted by SWCBonfire
South Texas
Member since Aug 2011
1408 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:43 am to
The patrol was homogenized with titan parts to get made in the US content up, improve fuel economy, and meet US regs. On the prior model, that meant US built engine and trans, front suspension from titan, front diff from pathfinder, rear differential from Titan, smaller single gas tank and vapor system, no locks or offroad traction modes.

Wish the new one still had the 5.6. I still have not seen any review definitely state if the drivetrain for the new pro 4x armada is the same as it is on the patrol.

Posted by Tr33fiddy
Hog Jaw, Arkansas (it exists)
Member since Aug 2023
1949 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:44 am to
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had one of the original hardbody trucks, with the Z engine and a 5-speed. It was fast, simple, and comfy for a small truck. I ran it for 10 years and it would sell now


The hardbody and the original frontiers with 4 cylinders and 5 speed manuals were little tanks that got good mpg. It's absolutely stupid that they made them mid size...which is actually what a full size truck was in the 90s.
Posted by N2cars
Close by
Member since Feb 2008
37906 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:48 am to
At one point, they had a 557 day supply of them on the lots.

I'm sure deals were made...
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5057 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:50 am to
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I’ve had a Toyota and a Honda with The CVT and they weren’t thinks of shite like the Nissan.


Its not CVTs in general, its the way Nissan designed them.
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
8542 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:54 am to
I guess them being taken over by Honda was just a rumor.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1155 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:57 am to
Honda didn't miss anything. Nissan offered them nothing in terms of product except large RWD platforms and Frontier, which Honda feels they can do without. Nissan wanted a partnership, Honda wanted (and deserved) total control.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26392 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:08 am to
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Overpriced, by a lot.



That's tradition. It's also tradition for the Grand Wagoneer to be outsold by Ford and General Motors too.

The original Grand Wagoneer from the 1980s-mid 1990s wasn't that popular either. It was a hodgepodge of cobbled together truck parts from Ford, Chrysler, GM etc and it was based on a body on frame chassis (unlike the wildly popular Cherokee and Grand Cherokee). The Old Grand Wagoneer ultimately became a big, expensive, heavy, slow, and weak selling model that had limited appeal just like the new Grand Wagoneer. If that was their goal, the nailed it. It, too, was outsold by the full sized Bronco, Blazer, and Suburbans in those days. Didn't last as long as any of them either since AMC had no idea how to handle rust protection and AMC didn't have the best quality control. The core design was also from the 1960s so it wasn't really cutting it after newer and better Broncos, Blazers, and Suburbans came out in the 1980s and 1990s.

The new Wagoneer maybe should have been a Ram model with a different name (RamCharger or something). It's a heavy body on frame vehicle that isn't particularly good off road. It can tow very well though. I also think the Ram styling language would just work better for a giant SUV.

The things that made Jeep truly innovative and a gem within the otherwise struggling AMC portfolio (and eventually Chrysler) were their unit body chassis combined with serious off road hardware. Nobody else was doing that at the time. They were Range Rover before Range Rover figured out how to actually do that.

IMO the Jeep lineup should only be the Wrangler, Wrangler Unlimited, Gladiator, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee. The Grand Cherokee should move slightly more upmarket with every new redesign (more closely aligning with the price/size of Land Rover's Defender and Range Rover products). The Cherokee should simply be a shorter 5 passenger version of the Grand Cherokee.

Stellantis should let Ram have the full sized SUV and let Jeep continue to be Jeep. All going to the same dealership anyways. I'd start working on that now and plan on sunsetting the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer since they are not very good at being Jeeps. And people have sort of indicated that they aren't great at pulling buyers from GMC Yukons, Lincoln Navigators, and Cadillac Escalades - which means the full sized Ram SUV needs to be aimed more at the lower end Tahoe or Expedition.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 10:12 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26392 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:15 am to
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The hardbody and the original frontiers with 4 cylinders and 5 speed manuals were little tanks that got good mpg. It's absolutely stupid that they made them mid size...which is actually what a full size truck was in the 90s.



Hard to make a body on frame compact these days with crash protection and CAFE standards.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26392 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:16 am to
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I think the new Xterra and Frontier will be on a shared new platform in 3-4 years. Probably going to have a hybrid powertrain like the Tacoma and 4Runner.



Since 6th gen 4Runner pricing went crazy, there is definitely a gap that Nissan could exploit if they keep it simple and affordable.

Basically make it like a 4th or 5th gen 4Runner.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
8204 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:26 pm to
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The hardbody and the original frontiers with 4 cylinders and 5 speed manuals were little tanks that got good mpg. It's absolutely stupid that they made them mid size...which is actually what a full size truck was in the 90s.


The mileage wasn't that great, maybe around 22-25, but then I traded in a 78 Toyota truck that got 28-35, so that skewed my perception. The hardbody from those years was a little tank and a fun truck that would have served most non-work needs. The Yota was a great truck too, but it was more like a frame wrapped in tin foil with an engine that topped out at 85mph if you were going down a mountain...
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
38929 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:33 pm to
I was afraid the hard "n" was gonna get me banned.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3710 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:38 pm to
Bring these back:



Problem solved.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
21995 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:42 pm to
Imagine buying a nissan
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179369 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:47 pm to
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Untrue for Ram.


Look at the cheap arse door panels on a Ram vs a GMC or Ford and get back to me
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
40675 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:52 pm to
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I had a first generation Titan and I loved that truck. It had lots of room and power.


Same. But when I had it back in 2011ish when I was in college and gas prices jumped up to $4 a gallon, that thing with mud tires on it was getting like 9mpg on a good day That gas bill on that truck burned a hole in my pocket. Ran like a scolded dog though, sounded great too. Had no issues with that motor.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
37104 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:02 pm to
Ohhhh baby Christmas coming early
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3716 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:18 pm to
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It's criminal what they've done to the Pathfinder.


The newly designed Pathfinder is so much better than the last few years' worth of designs where the Pathfinder looked like a minivan.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 6:05 am
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