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re: Newsweek: Sweden, which never had lockdown, sees Covid-19 cases plummet, as Europe spikes
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:08 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:08 pm to SammyTiger
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Yes, the significantly lower rate of infection and death in Sweden’s Neighboring countries.
And how does one make adjustments for say mitigation measures and date of enactment, testing rates, way deaths are counted, demographics, population size, population density, etc. to make sure you're getting a good comparison?
Fact is epidemic curves look pretty much the same everywhere regardless of mitigation efforts.
How do lockdowns look throughout the world?
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:09 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:Are they going to live sporting events, having concerts, gathering in large groups,not distancing?
Just all the ones that really matter: carrying on with life, educating your children, being able to go eat in restaurants, etc.
Most of the things you listed are happening in areas in the US as well.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:19 pm to ShoeBang
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try to call me racist all you want, but
I wasn’t calling you racist, nor do I think you’re one. Your post just made a conclusion that I didn’t agree with (and one that I’ve seen often on this website so my response to you was out of frustration).
Also, accusing you of liking Sweden’s demographics isn’t accusing you of racism. I’ve been to Sweden and they treated me awesomely, despite being blacker than the night sky. I like their demographics too!
Everything that makes the US great is partly why we can’t keep this thing under control. We like freedom to move around and to do what we want. We also hate being told what to do.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:29 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Fact is epidemic curves look pretty much the same everywhere regardless of mitigation efforts.
What does that mean?
If you’re curve is higher that says something about mitigation. You may have a similar shape but if your peak is 10x higher that’s not as good.
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And how does one make adjustments for say mitigation measures and date of enactment, testing rates, way deaths are counted, demographics, population size, population density, etc. to make sure you're getting a good comparison?
Sweden is about twice as populated as Norway or Finland but their demographics are similar and have similar population densities and culture. Geographical location.
Which is why i makes more sense to compare them than Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands, like the OP article.
Just looking at population, they have a much higher rate of death than Portugal and Greece.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:42 pm to LordSaintly
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Everything that makes the US great is partly why we can’t keep this thing under control
exactly. There is no safety implied in liberty, contrary to modern popular belief.
Thanks for being cool, and apologies for immediately assuming you were calling me racist. I agree with you on this point.
And yes Sweden is cool as shite.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:43 pm to SammyTiger
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What does that mean?
That means the virus was going to do what the virus was going to do. The area under the terrible pandemic curve is the same as the flattened pandemic curve.
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Sweden is about twice as populated as Norway or Finland but their demographics are similar and have similar population densities and culture. Geographical location.
Sweden has about three times the number of immigrants than the rest of Scandinavia, mostly from non-EU countries.
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If you’re curve is higher that says something about mitigation. You may have a similar shape but if your peak is 10x higher that’s not as good.
Ah...if this is your stance, you admit America's bastions of Liberalism have done much worse than those Republican led states in the south and should be condemned for it?
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:01 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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That means the virus was going to do what the virus was going to do. The area under the terrible pandemic curve is the same as the flattened pandemic curve.
Except here it isn’t the same.
The curve for Norway and Finland isn’t stretched out over a significant amount more time.
They’re numbers are already close to nothing, they just never got as high as Sweden.
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Sweden has about three times the number of immigrants than the rest of Scandinavia, mostly from non-EU countries.
Sweden has a marginally larger % of immigrants than Norway. Do you have an article saying their immigrant population is the majority of their cases?
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Ah...if this is your stance, you admit America's bastions of Liberalism have done much worse than those Republican led states in the south and should be condemned for it?
If by Liberal bastion as you mean Ny/NJ sure but if you mean California than you can’t really argue that. They’re doing surprisingly well despite being a “liberal bastion”
Realistically population density will have a lot to do with it, which is why comparing similar countries is more revealing that comparing states based on political leanings.
And you just made this political.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:27 pm to SammyTiger
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This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:33 pm to WDE24
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So what are the numbers adjusted for population in comparison to surrounding areas and in comparison to the other countries mentioned, etc.
Percentage increase and decrease is partially informative, but the article is missing some context. I wish reporters would be more thorough in their reporting of numbers and be consistent with the context.
Yes!!
Numbers and general data points that aren't adjusted for population are difficult to parse, and that's almost all we ever see reported.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:34 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you have an article saying their immigrant population is the majority of their cases?
How many do you want?
All of Scandinavia
Sweden
Sweden
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And you just made this political.
No, Bench McElroy made it political.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:47 pm to Uptowner
quote:and even they see the truth. good point.
Wait I thought Newsweek was pure MSM, a libtard rag that pushed nothing but commie propaganda.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:51 pm to SammyTiger
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Realistically population density will have a lot to do with it, which is why comparing similar countries is more revealing that comparing states based on political leanings.
Its astounding how progressives cant stand qny good news about Covid, the economy, ,etc.
Why would someone be attracted to such a bitter, angry, negative ideology?
Posted on 7/31/20 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It’s not progressive it’s having half a Brain.
The good news is that Swedennis doing better.
It’s not that what they did worked because it really didn’t they had 10x the rate of death as their neighbors. That’s not good.
The good news is that Swedennis doing better.
It’s not that what they did worked because it really didn’t they had 10x the rate of death as their neighbors. That’s not good.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:00 pm to RollTide1987
Two months ago the press was swarming and cursing the Sweden strategy due to the high number of cases.
Not so much today
Not so much today
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:00 pm to saturday
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You can only see the top of her head but I'll take my chances.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:04 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s not that what they did worked because it really didn’t they had 10x the rate of death as their neighbors. That’s not good.
Probably not before this is over.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:08 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s not that what they did worked because it really didn’t they had 10x the rate of death as their neighbors. That’s not good.
What does what they did have to do with the death rate? What specifically did they do that caused their rate of death to be higher?
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:19 pm to lnomm34
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Louisiana 'locked down,' implemented mask mandates, has shuttered many aspects of local economy and we have 3,835 deaths. Louisiana has a population of 4.469 million (according to 2019 numbers.
Compare that to Sweden for me, please sir.
Louisiana has had approx 1 death for every 1165 people
Sweden has had 2 for every 1595 people
The US has had 1 for every 2,158
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:19 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s not that what they did worked because it really didn’t they had 10x the rate of death as their neighbors. That’s not good.
No telling how many lives the rest of the countries will lose because of killing their economy and shutting down hospitals to only COVID patients.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 4:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably not before this is over.
Nothing to indicate that.
That’s you’re emotions not any facts.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 4:30 pm
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