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re: Newsweek: Sweden, which never had lockdown, sees Covid-19 cases plummet, as Europe spikes
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:31 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:31 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s neighbors Finland and Norway are also doing great after shutting down and having significantly less cases and deaths.
Also, Sweden has 5.743 deaths in a population of 10.1 million. That’s is over .05% of their population dying.
Which is pretty bad compared to their neighbors and is one of the highest death rates in the world.
So far.
You can’t evaluate Sweden’s approach over a short period of time. The correct evaluation will be at the 1 year mark and then going forward.
You are not concerned with the current numbers if you understand statistics and how to evaluate a prospective study.
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:31 pm to RollTide1987
So what are the numbers adjusted for population in comparison to surrounding areas and in comparison to the other countries mentioned, etc.
Percentage increase and decrease is partially informative, but the article is missing some context. I wish reporters would be more thorough in their reporting of numbers and be consistent with the context.
Percentage increase and decrease is partially informative, but the article is missing some context. I wish reporters would be more thorough in their reporting of numbers and be consistent with the context.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:33 pm to Bench McElroy
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Highest number of Coronavirus deaths by US State yesterday
1. Florida- 256 (Republican Governor)
2. Arizona- 68 (Republican Governor)
3. Mississippi- 52 (Republican Governor)
4. Ohio- 46 (Republican Governor)
5. South Carolina- 45 (Republican Governor)
frick yesterday! I'm talking the whole time, dick hole.
You're punishing the Sun Belt states because their curve has been flatter than anywhere else until now.
Edit: Apologies for the swearing. You did clearly state "yesterday" in that post I responded to, but the point still stands that you're rewarding states for having a bad initial outcome and punishing states that have had a flat trajectory throughout.
Edit 2: to be fair...
Inida - 2nd most populace country.
USA - 3rd
Brazil - 6th
Russia - 9th
Mexico - 10th
Iran - 18th
United Kingdom - 21st
Is it any surprise that 7 counties in the top 10% of most populace countries are producing higher deaths than some other countries?
Edit 3:
Deaths per 100k:
NYC: 280 (alone)
NY: 79 (excludes NYC)
NJ: 177
CT: 124
LA: 83
MS: 54
AZ: 48
SC: 32
FL: 30
OH: 29
CA: 22
TX: 22
Let me know when those states start sniffing the rates of the Northeast and Louisiana.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:33 pm to treyk89
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They also have one if the worst deaths by capita rates though. What worked in Sweden would be horrifically devastating in other counties.
Sweden's deaths per capita is better than many US states. Compare to NY, NJ, CT, MA, etc. Also better than many countries that locked down. And regardless of this stat, they have one big thing going for them: They are done with Covid and transitioning back to normal life.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:35 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:In what sense?
They are done with Covid
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:36 pm to LordSaintly
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LordSaintly
try to call me racist all you want, but
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Are you sure it isn’t because Swedish people are hopelessly obedient to everything their government tells them?
Lend credence to the point.
FYI, I'm 1/8th native american so shove your not so subtle racist accusations right up your arse
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:41 pm to SloaneRanger
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But they seem to be done with Covid.
Might not want to count those eggs before they hatch. I'd like it to be true, but I have my doubts Sweden is done with this thing.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:44 pm to SECdragonmaster
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So far.
You can’t evaluate Sweden’s approach over a short period of time. The correct evaluation will be at the 1 year mark and then going forward.
You are not concerned with the current numbers if you understand statistics and how to evaluate a prospective study.
I mean, I am Not concerned with Sweden’s numbers at all but their CURRENT numbers are still worse than their neighbors CURRENT numbers.
Everyone is just choosing to ignore it because Sweden is some kind of poster child for not shutting down (even though they shut down schools and told everyone to socially distance and they are their society values social cooperation.)
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:45 pm to SammyTiger
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even though they shut down school
Not all schools.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:45 pm to SammyTiger
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but their CURRENT numbers are still worse than their neighbors CURRENT numbers.
and everyone should expect this
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Everyone is just choosing to ignore it b
naw. like i said last page, it's a matter of perspective
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:46 pm to RollTide1987
Beautiful country
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:52 pm to SammyTiger
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I mean, I am Not concerned with Sweden’s numbers at all but their CURRENT numbers are still worse than their neighbors CURRENT numbers.
And Monday is the day after Sunday each week.
What does either statement have to do with the correct approach to a virus?
Covidiots are just gonna scream “muh Sweden is so bad” until this experiment plays out fully.
And when Sweden is proven correct, they will already be onto the next anxiety crisis and refuse to admit they were incorrect the whole time about COVID.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:53 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Covidiots are just gonna scream “muh Sweden is so bad” until this experiment plays out fully.
This thread is a victory lap for Sweden what all the current information indicates it didn’t really work that well.
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And when Sweden is proven correct, they will already be onto the next anxiety crisis and refuse to admit they were incorrect the whole time about COVID.
You mean if.
Nothing is indicating they were correct.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:54 pm to Labradog
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New Zealand so fat
Misleading.
They are like Samoan style "fat".
Generally big Baws who can move. Play rugby and shite.
They aren't like Gravy.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:55 pm to SammyTiger
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Nothing is indicating they were correct.
Is there any indication that lockdowns were correct?
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:56 pm to Bench McElroy
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All of those countries have right-wing authoritarian leaders except Mexico.
Oh lord.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:59 pm to SammyTiger
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the current information indicates it didn’t really work that well.
I don't agree but I suppose it is debatable. But at least they had a strategy with an end game and the courage to let it play out (when everyone else was wrongly predicting apocalyptic consequences). Right now, I'd take their situation in a heartbeat. Their kids will be in school, their bars are open and they will have sporting events this fall. They correctly recognized that shutdowns were a failed, futile strategy that would do great harm to society.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:59 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Is there any indication that lockdowns were correct?
Yes, the significantly lower rate of infection and death in Sweden’s Neighboring countries.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:02 pm to WDE24
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They are done with Covid
In what sense?
Just all the ones that really matter: carrying on with life, educating your children, being able to go eat in restaurants, etc.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 2:05 pm to SloaneRanger
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Just all the ones that really matter:
Mehta about actually being done with it?
Are they more done with it than Finland or Norway?
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