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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:54 am to
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:54 am to
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present (a form of entertainment) to an audience


I could set up a table in the park and throw a DVD on my laptop which would qualify as entertainment by your definition. I certainly wouldn't run people down that didn't throw money my way.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:55 am to
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Entitlement culture is starting to hit our street performers. Makes me sad.


Wrong. and a troll.

And if you think street performers wanting tips is what "entitlement culture" is then your to stupid too talk two.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 7:56 am
Posted by Bullfrog
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:55 am to
But you would have to pay royalties to BMI ASCAP or the rights holder for the $ you did take in.
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Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:56 am to
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If two people were walking by and stopped and said "huh, would you look at that?" and kept going, should they have tipped too?


I would

If I was impressed or stopped in any way to admire or talk about the performance/art, yes, I would tip

it's just the non a-hole thing to do IMO
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:57 am to
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And if you think street performers wanting tips is what "entitlement culture"


I and others have said multiple times that performers who actually perform, ie juggle, sing, dance, play an instrument, etc. should absolutely be tipped.
Posted by Coon
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:57 am to
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And he knows witih 100% certainty that he doesn't get a paycheck and some people may not choose to tip him.


He's not bitching at people that just pass by and look. This guy took a picture. Hell, he might sell that picture and make money. Just don't be a dick any tip the guy.

Note: I hate street performers and the like. I don't acknowledge them and never get bitched at for not tipping.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:57 am to
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I certainly wouldn't run people down that didn't throw money my way.



If you made the DVD by yourself and you were in a park where people usually played custom made DVDs for tips and someone came by and filmed the whole thing then just left without tipping you, then you might chase them down.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 7:58 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:58 am to
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performers who actually perform, ie juggle, sing, dance, play an instrument, etc. should absolutely be tipped.


ok then

if you don't want to tip a performer, don't stop and look or acknowledge his performance/art

it's really that simple
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:59 am to
This thread is so New Orleans in the worst kind of way.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:59 am to
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If you don't want to tip a street performer, don't take their picture.


what contract did he sign that required payment for a picture?
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:00 am to
I follow a simple rule.. If you or a member of your party take a picture with the performer, you should undoubtedly tip the guy.. If no party is present in the picture, discretion is given because the performer may not really be the focus of the pic..
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:01 am to
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what contract did he sign that required payment for a picture?


Oh good lord. That's gonna be your argument?
Posted by dafuqusay
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:01 am to
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If two people were walking by and stopped and said "huh, would you look at that?" and kept going, should they have tipped too?




I would

If I was impressed or stopped in any way to admire or talk about the performance/art, yes, I would tip

it's just the non a-hole thing to do IMO


EXACTLY. If he was interesting enough to stop and take a photo, make his day and pay da man. I could not give 2 shits about those bums, but were talking about a damn dollar.
Posted by shaqtaw
Member since Oct 2009
5019 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:02 am to
If this is the mans job he should have to put in all the necessary taxes.Medicare, social security, FICA. In my opinion once you acknowledge their existence you should probably tip, but if you decide not to he should not have the right to bitch you out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:02 am to
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This thread is so New Orleans in the worst kind of way.

after page one i was going to make a similar comment, but i made a more "real" one. but you're right

also, on a side note, who wants to disagree with me in saying that these people don't pay taxes on their total income?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:02 am to
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If this is the mans job he should have to put in all the necessary taxes.Medicare, social security, FICA

i like the way you think
Posted by Breesus
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:02 am to
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I and others have said multiple times that performers who actually perform, ie juggle, sing, dance, play an instrument, etc. should absolutely be tipped.



Juggling? that's just throwing shite around

Sing? that's just yelling

Dance? anyone can move around

play an instrament? meh. i can strum a guitar.

By your way of viewing things anything can be easily dismissed. However it's a bad way to view things. Again - He put on a costume and performed in a public place. Everyone that sees him recognizes this. Including the OP.

The facts are:

Performer puts on a costume and performs by standing still as a statue.

OP comes by, sees him, recognizes him as a performer, enjoys it, and takes a picture. Then leaves without tipping the guy.

Performer calls him out on being a cheapskate.

OP fills the role of the entitlement culture perfectly. Taking the efforts of another person without providing anything himself and getting upset with then provider calls him out on it.
Posted by Coon
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Member since Feb 2005
18492 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:03 am to
Being a dick/contractural rights guy is WAY WORSE than guy trying to provide for himself.

It's not an argument of contracts or what is specifically owed. The guys was doing something to make a living. Camera guy acknowledged him enough to fake a picture (no matter what his act was) then didn't tip. It's a dick move.

Don't want to be called out, don't take pictures or interact with street performers and not tip. Simple as that.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86619 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:03 am to
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If you made the DVD by yourself


That would create effort, work, talent, etc. Did performer sew his own costume or make his own paint?

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someone came by and filmed the whole thing


Doesn't relate to the OP's situation at all. You said that a performer is someone entertaining an audience. Which showing a movie in a place with a crowd would qualify.

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then just left without tipping you, then you might chase them down.


Wrong, because I would know before I started that some people may choose to, and some may not. I would thank and be grateful to the ones that did, and pay no mind to the ones that didn't. If someone sat down for 5 minutes and watched the movie then went on about their way I wouldn't be like "hey butthead, how about a little, ya know something for your time"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:03 am to
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Oh good lord. That's gonna be your argument?

is there some sort of regulation on this?

can somebody tell me the intricate rules of when i have to tip these people, and how much i have to tip?
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