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Posted on 12/14/22 at 7:21 am to fr33manator
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I never really understood the logic behind raiding houses like that
The cops are afraid the perp will flush the dime bag.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 7:27 am to BHM
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What is a fair amount of time to wait after knocking on the door?
You’re asking an agent of the govt, who makes 36k a year and barely graduated high school, to make that decision on the spot. Nothing good can come from that.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 7:30 am to Proximo
Let them flush their dope. Better than shooting the wrong person or the dog. Park a cop car in front of the dope house or the dope corner.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 7:36 am to MoarKilometers
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Which should lend to credibility to society not falling apart from this standard, despite what the bootlickers may say.
Lol what a dumb statement. Crime is up across the country since 2015.
Cops shouldn’t be going into anyone’s homes illegally.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 7:42 am to BHM
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What is a fair amount of time to wait after knocking on the door?
Don't know a specific answer (if there even needs to be a specific answer), but maybe 8 minutes or so (the average length of time for someone to be in the shower) for starters?
Again, not that there has to be a specific answer. I'd prefer they wait for however long they need to. Who knows if the person they've come to arrest is sleeping after taking a nightshift at work, and the person likes to sleep with air pods in the ears?
Edit: Also, personally, I don't care if the suspect is flushing their cocaine down the toilet. The police should still err on the side of caution. Not that cocaine should be illegal or anything, but if the cops must do a drug raid, they better do it on a stash house with enough cocaine that the suspect would need hours to properly dispose of it.
This post was edited on 12/14/22 at 7:46 am
Posted on 12/14/22 at 8:41 am to UndercoverBryologist
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A house is a person’s castle. If it is illegal entry, the cop should have no more legal protection than a common burglar.
Agreed.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:42 am to bobBoxer
Good. No knock warrants and shite like that are bullshite and dangerous to police.
They should be required to clearly identify themselves prior to entry
They should be required to clearly identify themselves prior to entry
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:45 am to WestCoastAg
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Why does this need to be a law and not just an understood and accepted civil liberty?
Because our justice system is full of lawyers and judges who don’t understand
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understood and accepted civil liberty?
These days sadly you better clearly codify it into law or they’ll have a field day with it
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:46 am to bobBoxer
I'm sure you can try to shoot them, but the odds are you're going to die if you try this. Once you open fire on a cop, it's not going to end well for you, even if you kill that first cop.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:55 am to X123F45
While I agree that people should be able to protect their homes from illegal intruders, this seems a bit dangerous. I've yet to serve a search warrant on a home where the home owner didn't feel like the warrant was illegal or false. So, if the home owner is blasting away before we can get to the explanation phase, things are gonna get messy.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 9:58 am to deltaland
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Good. No knock warrants and shite like that are bullshite and dangerous to police.
Yep, seems anti cop to support them.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:05 am to bobBoxer
The self proclaimed human lie detector best be careful. Dbag
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:23 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:I love how police officers don't have to do callouts when fkn SEALs and Delta were having to do call outs in Iraq/Afghanistan because the population was upset with no-knock raids. shite's ridiculous.
blasting it from a megaphone
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:25 am to bobBoxer
Oh great, this will certainly make things better. The wild wild West had nothing in current situation relative to a shoot'em up society.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 10:39 am to BlueCheckCertified
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Yeah, a funny little court-invented law called qualified immunity makes it to where cops can violate your rights and not be held accountable unless the very exact crime down to the nitty gritty has already been ruled on as a violation of rights.
So this makes it legal for them to enter your house? So if this allows them to legally enter your house then what is defined as illegally entering your house?
Posted on 12/14/22 at 11:05 am to CHAZILLA
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While I agree that people should be able to protect their homes from illegal intruders, this seems a bit dangerous. I've yet to serve a search warrant on a home where the home owner didn't feel like the warrant was illegal or false.
That is not what this pertains to at all.
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So, if the home owner is blasting away before we can get to the explanation phase, things are gonna get messy.
The explanation phase is step one.
You aren't delta you're supposed to be getting cats out of trees.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 11:24 am to bobBoxer
Legality will only be an issue in your postmortem inquest. Shot a cop in a raid, swat team arrives and kills you most likely. No one will double check legality before law enforcement response.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 11:50 am to dgnx6
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Lol what a dumb statement. Crime is up across the country since 2015.
What a dumb statement, the law only affects 2% of the states. So unless you have some evidence that Indiana is significantly worse off than any of the other 49 states in the control group, get fricked.
Posted on 12/14/22 at 12:01 pm to bobBoxer
Political, please post on the political board as per our overlord’s request.
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