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re: New diabetes medications prove the OT wrong, obesity is not always a choice
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:19 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:19 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:you are talking 1 person.... that view does not fit everyone.
Not true. I may one of the oldest posters on this board and folks guess me for 20 - 30 years younger. Worked hard all my life at some brutal jobs.
quote:so 95% of people...
Lifestyle has something to do with early aging like women who tanned way too much and look like shoe leather at 40 or guys working construction who blew it over the weekend with poor choices. I agree those folks get aged very quickly.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:21 pm to lsu777
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metabolism only slows about 10 calories per decade of life if muscle mass stays constant
Do you know how hard it is to keep muscle mass past 50, much less past 70? 90?
Perhaps it as more exponential than linear.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:22 pm to lsu777
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he has to be the most uniformed doctor in the history of the earth. I do not understand how he passed medical school.
I can guarantee you when it comes to training, nutrition, diet, exercise, anabolics, etc. there are people on here with more knowledge and better advice and more informed than your average MD. It was amazing to me how little these guys know about diet, nutrition, and performance. They parrot outdated methodology they were taught 20 or 30 years ago like it is gospel.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:23 pm to Roaad
None of this matters, in the long run- because no one in this thread is getting out of this alive. Even those as healthy as Jim Fixx. 
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:25 pm to ronricks
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They parrot outdated methodology they were taught 20 or 30 years ago like it is gospel.
Preach!
You can tell what age the nutritionist by what lifestyle advice they favor
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:33 pm to ronricks
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I can guarantee you when it comes to training, nutrition, diet, exercise, anabolics, etc. there are people on here with more knowledge and better advice and more informed than your average MD. It was amazing to me how little these guys know about diet, nutrition, and performance. They parrot outdated methodology they were taught 20 or 30 years ago like it is gospel.
100%
i had my doctor tell me keto was a weight gaining diet
he got mad when i laughed and said no....eating in a caloric surplus no matter the macro breakdown is a weight gaining diet.
he started to reply and i interrupted him and told him unless he is a true expert in the field he should prolly not argue with me because i kind of am. got all pissy as usual with MDs
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:34 pm to oleheat
quote:Only true if the goal is to live forever
None of this matters, in the long run- because no one in this thread is getting out of this alive.
But it does matter for the quality of life you have left.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:34 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:35 pm to Cheese Grits
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Do you know how hard it is to keep muscle mass past 50, much less past 70? 90?
no that hard if you are actually lifting progressively. can even add muscle pretty easily. now at 90...ok i concede but thats not you
would you like to actually look at the studies and not parrot some BS you read in an article?
or are you talking about people who do not lift weights? because of course they lose muscle, they have no use for it so the body rids itself. I dont concern myself with worrying about things that are easily fixable.
do yourself a favor and go read barbell presciption by mark rippetoe and andy baker.
from barbell medicine MDs Austin Baraki & Jordan Feigenbaum(two of the leading voices in the industry and on the research side of things
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Barbell Medicine's Non Nuanced Hierarchy of Physical Activity for "Older" Adults
1) Resistance training- Compound ground-based barbell loaded lifts (squat, press, dead, etc.) > machine based RT > calisthenics
2) Conditioning- If RT with barbells , then low to mod intensity steady state cardio is advised initially with later transition to mix of LISS and HIIT. If no RT, prefer HIIT for those able to engage in it (and who will comply)
3) Regular social interactions with peer network
4) Cognitive memory/learning activities
5) Age appropriate medical screenings
or listen to LINK podcast with andy baker. Andy trains is the nations expert on training the elderly to be strong and fit. you should prolly listen to him.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:37 pm to WeeWee
I wasn't overweight until insulin... I got off insulin, got on ozempic... lost the weight and my A1C is better. IDGAF if a mouth breather on TD calls me a fatty or whatever. I legitimately need the hormone replacement and it works.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:39 pm to lsu777
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do yourself a favor and go read barbell presciption by mark rippetoe and andy baker
It’s Sullivan and Baker, and it should be required reading for everyone who treats older patients.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:41 pm to Earnest_P
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It’s Sullivan and Baker, and it should be required reading for everyone who treats older patients.
you are right, rip just published it, my bad
and yep should be required reading for all MDs and PTs who treat anyone over 50
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:19 pm to Cheese Grits
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Do you know how hard it is to keep muscle mass past 50
It's not hard. I'm doing it.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:27 pm to lsu777
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stfu with the addiction BS
Jeez...stop coming at me. I completely agree with you! My response was tongue in cheek to someone who accused me of never been around addicts and that I couldn't possibly understand what obese people go through.
And maybe In Defense of Food isn't about obesity specifically, but eating REAL food will make all of your body processes work better by providing natural fiber and vitamins/minerals. Fake food will not do that.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:34 pm to HouseMom
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And maybe In Defense of Food isn't about obesity specifically, but eating REAL food will make all of your body processes work better by providing natural fiber and vitamins/minerals. Fake food will not do that.
that i agree with 100%
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:40 pm to lsu777
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i interrupted him and told him unless he is a true expert in the field he should prolly not argue with me because i kind of am.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:49 pm to Roaad
Hi, Im overweight. Have been at nearly the same weight since after my first year in college. that was a couple decades plus ago.
at least for me, there is no doubt in my mind that there is something in my brain that seemingly wants me to be about this weight. Its hard to lose much and keep it off. also, believe it or not, its hard to gain much without getting sick by eating too much. Ive been wearing the same size shirt and pants for a long arse time.
No doubt, there are other components, such as eating speed, etc. that go into being a fatty.
However, your brain controls a whole hell of a lot of things to a varying degree amongst people. If your brain controls when you feel full or satisfied eating, is it really hard to believe that there is variance from person to person?
To me, all that means is that it is harder to lose weight for some that others, meaning that it takes more willpower to lose weight for some than others. Nothing earth shattering there.
It doesnt mean its impossible and a person has an excuse and has no control. It just means a person's brain can impact how easily its done.
If the med somehow changes that, im not sure how they could really measure it other than non-objective evidence.
You know what else does that? Cocaine, uppers, etc.
Regardless, I aint taking that stuff. Im not THAT fricking fat nor do i have the diabeetus.
at least for me, there is no doubt in my mind that there is something in my brain that seemingly wants me to be about this weight. Its hard to lose much and keep it off. also, believe it or not, its hard to gain much without getting sick by eating too much. Ive been wearing the same size shirt and pants for a long arse time.
No doubt, there are other components, such as eating speed, etc. that go into being a fatty.
However, your brain controls a whole hell of a lot of things to a varying degree amongst people. If your brain controls when you feel full or satisfied eating, is it really hard to believe that there is variance from person to person?
To me, all that means is that it is harder to lose weight for some that others, meaning that it takes more willpower to lose weight for some than others. Nothing earth shattering there.
It doesnt mean its impossible and a person has an excuse and has no control. It just means a person's brain can impact how easily its done.
If the med somehow changes that, im not sure how they could really measure it other than non-objective evidence.
You know what else does that? Cocaine, uppers, etc.
Regardless, I aint taking that stuff. Im not THAT fricking fat nor do i have the diabeetus.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:50 pm to WeeWee
"Not Your Fault" is the new motto for everyone that cannot control themselves.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:06 pm to moneyg
in one sense i dont. use whatever method at your disposal to lose weight. you dont get a special medal for doing it with no aid whether it be surgical, medical, or inspirational.
i think my only problem/concern is that i bet these particular drug cant be taken for life or at least isnt meant to be for a normal person (non diabetic). i admit i could 100% be wrong on that, i dont know enough about it.
If someone doesnt learn the appropriate coping strategies and diet planning, once they are off the meds they will just balloon back up to where they were, or worse, get even fatter.
i think my only problem/concern is that i bet these particular drug cant be taken for life or at least isnt meant to be for a normal person (non diabetic). i admit i could 100% be wrong on that, i dont know enough about it.
If someone doesnt learn the appropriate coping strategies and diet planning, once they are off the meds they will just balloon back up to where they were, or worse, get even fatter.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:17 pm to caro81
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If someone doesnt learn the appropriate coping strategies and diet planning, once they are off the meds they will just balloon back up to where they were
That’s a lot of the misunderstanding about these meds though. They pretty much demand that you eat differently. They will either make you sick if you make bad food choices or miserable if you overeat. So you have to manage diet in the process. Not to say you can’t abandon those behaviors once you get off of the meds but being on them will encourage good behaviors that many people will continue.
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