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re: Neurologist lists 4 activities parents should never let their kids do

Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:10 am to
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:10 am to
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Riding a 4 wheeler is something I wouldn't allow my kids to do. I know of several deaths or severe head trauma from them.


You have a higher chance of a kid getting killed as a passenger in a car than on a 4 wheeler.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15709 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:12 am to
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I've done all of those and I made it to 53 years old. I've also done a lot more lol

Textbook survivor’s fallacy.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:13 am to
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Play football
Jump on trampoline
Ride 4-wheeler
Shoot a gun

So glad this wasnt a thing when I was kid. That's nearly all the fun stuff we did as kids

She could've just said "live"
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78142 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:14 am to
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You have a higher chance of a kid getting killed as a passenger in a car than on a 4 wheeler
Of course, but why add to the risks?
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
6521 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:22 am to
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You have a higher chance of a kid getting killed as a passenger in a car than on a 4 wheeler.


Russian Roulette as well...
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297072 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:24 am to
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Of course, but why add to the risks?


So they can do the things kids are supposed to do.

They'd be so much safer if we just locked them in the home with video games...
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
6521 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:27 am to
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So they can do the things kids are supposed to do.


True, but all that is out the window when it's your kid that is the statistic and is dead.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100548 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:30 am to
The only one I agree with is Trampoline. Seen some awful injuries on those things

The others are fine. Even football you don’t see hard enough hits at the peewee/jr high level to cause brain injury. Maybe a rare case here and there but you can’t take all the fun out of life in the name of safety. Too much of that happens today already.

Technically there is age limits on 4 wheelers and if you teach your kid to ride it responsibly they’ll be fine. They make it now where you can hit a button on a remote and turn the bike off if you see your kid driving unsafely.

Shooting a gun is ridiculous and won’t cause brain injury. Wear ear protection though
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297072 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:33 am to
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True, but all that is out the window when it's your kid that is the statistic and is dead.


Then just lock them in a room with video games and a phone. They'll be safe.

Your kid is far more likely to be sexually abused by an adult than killed on a 4 wheeler.

Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:34 am to
Well of course they would have a narrow bias towards extreme things they see.
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2435 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:36 am to
I did all 4 (not much football but lots of the others) and i’m pretty sure the neck problems i have today are a result.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37682 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:39 am to
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What was the rationale behind not shooting a gun?

It’s scary and loud and dangerous!
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
6521 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:41 am to
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Then just lock them in a room with video games and a phone. They'll be safe.

Your kid is far more likely to be sexually abused by an adult than killed on a 4 wheeler.





No it's called calcated risks and making decisions based on such. It's the same argument with seat belts, many people don't wear them and nothing happened to the large result. Riding a motorcycle is the same.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 9:43 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78142 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:41 am to
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So they can do the things kids are supposed to do.

They'd be so much safer if we just locked them in the home with video games.
They do the other things in that list. They go outside with bikes, into the woods, etc. Just not 4 wheelers. They won't be stunted as a result.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37682 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:42 am to
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Play football

Assuming tackle football here, the typical reaction, that the point is stupid, is the most correct IMO. However, when you factor in injuries, some permanent, and over what, it does give one pause.
Did Lance from Varsity Blues ever walk again? Run?
Posted by Kansas City King
Columbia, MO
Member since Oct 2020
3518 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:43 am to
I’ve jumped on a trampoline and shot a gun at a target at the same time. Fun times
Posted by LSUandAU
Key West, FL & Malibu (L.A.), CA
Member since Apr 2009
5160 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:43 am to
You'll shoot your eye out!

Not your nerves.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25840 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:45 am to
What does shooting a gun have to do with anything? The sound or concussion? Nah only way they getting brain damage is if someone shoots them.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
59105 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:48 am to
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Assuming tackle football here, the typical reaction, that the point is stupid, is the most correct IMO. However, when you factor in injuries, some permanent, and over what, it does give one pause.
no 4 wheelers is wayyyyy more valid than no football
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9573 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:52 am to
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CTE is far less of a concern at youth and high school levels mostly due do to the smaller size and slower speed at which the game is played.


You sure about this claim?

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A new study from Boston University’s CTE Center has discovered more than 60 cases of chronic traumatic encephalopathy, known as CTE, in athletes who were under the age of 30 at the time of their death. This is the largest study to look at the neurodegenerative disease in young people.

Researchers found about 40% of the brains studied had developed some of the earliest signs of the disease, which is associated with repeated head trauma.

The study also includes what researchers believe to be the first case of an American female athlete diagnosed with the disease.

The report, published in JAMA Neurology on Monday, describes the features of 152 brains donated between February 1, 2008, and September 31, 2022, to the UNITE brain bank — the largest tissue repository in the world focused on traumatic brain injury and CTE. Sixty-three out of the 152 donated brains (41%) had autopsy-confirmed CTE.


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The team collected data from 34 previous studies of helmet accelerometers used in youth, high school, and college football players. These devices measure the number, speed, and direction of impacts to the head during play. The researchers used this data to create what they called a positional exposure matrix, or PEM. This estimated the average number and types of blows to the head a person would experience during a season for a particular playing position and level of play, including professional athletes.

The team then looked at the relationships between these estimated impacts and CTE in 631 male brain donors who had previously played football. Results were published on June 20, 2023, in Nature Communications.

On average, the brain donors had played about 12 years of football and died at age 60. About 28%, or 180 of them, didn’t have evidence of CTE in their brains. Another 163 had low-stage CTE, and 288 had high-stage CTE. As seen in previous studies, the number of reported concussions wasn’t associated with CTE incidence or severity.

However, the number of years playing football as well as several factors measured by the PEM were associated with CTE. Every additional year playing football was associated with 15% increased odds of a CTE diagnosis and, for those with CTE, 14% increased odds of severe CTE.

Every 1,000 additional estimated blows to the head conferred 21% increased odds of a CTE diagnosis, and 13% increased odds of developing severe CTE. Analyses that took into account the linear and rotational accelerations experienced during head blows were better at predicting CTE than models that only included the number of blows.

These associations held when the researchers took other potential sources of head injury over a lifetime into account. These included military service and other contact sports.


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There is no good reason to let your kid play football. The data is clear that it fricks up your brain.
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