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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:01 pm to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:01 pm to Tigeralum2008
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You're saying that PERMITS are the main barrier to running fiber optic cables to every physical structure in a region?
PERMITS?.......
PERMITS are what's stopping them you say?
Not the IMMENSE GOD DAMN AMOUNT OF MONEY IT WOULD COST
Don’t worry, free market fairy takes care of all that.
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:01 pm to Tigeralum2008
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You're saying that PERMITS are the main barrier to running fiber optic cables to every physical structure in a region?
Keep up, dummy.
We are saying fiber will soon be history as things have been progressing to over the air (WISP) service.
Even Google realizes this and has started proving OTA access in other countries. Many cities in Europe you are never without access to a wireless signal. Yet again the USA is basically a 3rd world country when it comes to internet access both wired and wireless.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:02 pm to UpToPar
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This is like saying you pay cox cable $100 a month to let you watch TV. What channels you watch is your own business.
No. It's not. A better yet still flawed way of saying that is it's like saying you pay Cox $100 a month for HD 1080p TV and which channels you watch in HD are your busniess they can't decide which channels get which definition based on how much the other companies pay them.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:02 pm to TH03
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They need ROW permits.
Sure about that?
Looking at DFW ROW guidelines and nothing mentions telecom.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:02 pm to The Boat
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Hold on, Stout. I'm going to go read Reddit for 15 minutes and come back and really boom you.
Make sure to get a lobotomy while there so you don't do any critical thinking.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:03 pm to The Boat
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It'll be a cold day in hell when more government regulation equals more freedom
Under your assertion the gov't was wrong to break up the railroad, steel, and oil trusts
Under your assertion the gov't was wrong to ban child labor
Under your assertion the gov't was wrong to create the 40 hour work week
Unregulated capitalism is just as, if not more dangerous than overregulated capitalism.
The key is finding the regulatory sweet spot that works for both the producer and the consumer
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:04 pm to c on z
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Trumpkins being fine with less freedom of the internet
wait until your Uncle Jack can't share the latest from Conservative Freedom Eagle Daily on facebook
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:04 pm to Breesus
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No. It's not. A better yet still flawed way of saying that is it's like saying you pay Cox $100 a month for HD 1080p TV and which channels you watch in HD are your busniess they can't decide which channels get which definition based on how much the other companies pay them.
But Cox could charge you per HD channel if they wanted to, right?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:04 pm to UpToPar
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First off, you are analogizing a bakery to the internet under no NN. I was creating an analogy between a bakery and an internet with NN. So, swing and a miss there.
Fine. In that case, the baker sells cakes to everyone, and isn't allowed to tell people when, how, or where to consume that cake. Consumers buy the cake, and it's their cake to do with it what they want.
Now, the baker can sell better cakes at a much higher price, as well as cheaper cakes that are lower quality. But either way, once the cake is sold, the baker no longer has a say in what happens to the cake.
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Second, if there is a large demand for chocolate cakes, a new bakery will open up down the street and offer chocolate cakes. That's the free market at work.
Not if the vanilla company uses their money and connections to squash any and all competition from even getting off the ground.
...am I the only one wanting cake now? These analogies are making me hungry.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:05 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:05 pm to TH03
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I guess Google doesn't have any money
The irony in this statement is that in a matured NN-less environment where continually consolidated natural monopolies are more brazzingly exerting their gatekeeper powers, like was beginning to happen more frequently leading up to the NN regulation, Google likely would of never made it.
Since Ask Jeeves or Yahoo or Microsoft could of just paid off regional monopolies to gain exclusivity to fast lanes and have a grass roots start up like Google throttled.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:05 pm to TH03
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I guess Google doesn't have any money.
They entered what? 6 markets and realized the cost was too much of a burden to bear. Now you think all of these startups with higher cash reserves than Google are going to appear out of thin air?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:05 pm to Breesus
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And the people in this thread say, frick that, repeal that law, and if you don't like it just wait for someone else to open a bakery, which, as discussed, is basically impossible.
Don't forget the other totally realistic option of opening your own bakery!
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:06 pm to UpToPar
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So the problem isn't with NN. If what you are saying is true, then NN is a bandaid on a gun shot wound.
NN is the doctor saving the lives of the gunshot victims.
Sure, you need a way to stop the gun violence, but banning doctors who work on the victims isn't it.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:06 pm to stout
This is like when F King and LSU said they would have to shut down the football program if LSU didn't get their money except everyone believes them about the internet ceasing to exist.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:07 pm to Tigeralum2008
quote:apparently thinking that some regulation is ok makes you a dumb commie
The key is finding the regulatory sweet spot that works for both the producer and the consumer
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:07 pm to TH03
thanks TH!
Hahaha DAS thats the little secret in telecom.
Average cost of permit is 260-320 bucks
Hahaha DAS thats the little secret in telecom.
Average cost of permit is 260-320 bucks
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:07 pm to AbitaFan08
Why are we analogizing to things that could theoretically happen but aren't happening?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:08 pm to UpToPar
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Second, if there is a large demand for chocolate cakes, a new bakery will open up down the street and offer chocolate cakes. That's the free market at work.
This is the perfect example of someone taking a principles of micro class, and the takeaway being that the entire world is one big perfect competition model. Forget that oligopolies and monopolies exist and that all of these models are only academic constructs anyway.
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