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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:19 pm to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:19 pm to Pilot Tiger
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this is the very important.
Being an ideologue is bad
Which is fine. As I said, I thought that net neutrality was a good thing. But, I certainly didnt think that repealing it was big government at work, which is what my initial post addressed.
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:19 pm to rocket31
Ajit Pai retire bitch
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:21 pm to TigerFred
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I guess I need to understand this better.
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TigerFred
I know this was 8 pages ago, but I'm trying to catch up.
Imagine if people were bitching on the help board that TigerDroppings was loading very slowly - one of the problems could be because Cox/ATT/Comcast etc have decided to throttle internet speeds on sites not on their package plans. Hell, they could block Tiger Droppings altogether.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:21 pm to UpToPar
No it was big corporation at work. Which is mind boggling that people who despise big government are so ok with big corporations having the same power. The gov’t at least has more public and legal checks on it than these huge monolithic companies
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:21 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Will 5G be able to replace a wired connection to a home? Will it achieve the same speeds?
Technically femto cells (like the one TMO provides to some customers) can do 450Mbps now.
The little problem is that current femto cells still rely on a ISP backhaul (ethernet).
The goal with 5G is essential to achieve 1Gbps OTA, condense the network map by virtualizing some RAN and Core applications, and integrate small cells to fill the holes left by the existing macro site network.
We want small cells to be able to seamless handoff data or a call (VOLTE/ViLTE) to a macro site once you hit cell edge and not drop a bit in bitrate.
There are propriety things that I am currently working on that I can't essentially go into real specifics but if you search for Nokia Airframe on Google, im sure the Chinese have leaked slide decks.
edit: Also the next generation femtocells desired capability will be to use the Marco BTS network as an established wireless backhaul. We currently have two planes of data flow (S1-U & S1-AP). The prospective third would connect another GTP-U tunnel for TRS comms.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:23 pm to 50_Tiger
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Technically femto cells (like the one TMO provides to some customers) can do 450Mbps now.
The little problem is that current femto cells still rely on a ISP backhaul (ethernet).
The goal with 5G is essential to achieve 1Gbps OTA, condense the network map by virtualizing some RAN and Core applications, and integrate small cells to fill the holes left by the existing macro site network.
We want small cells to be able to seamless handoff data or a call (VOLTE/ViLTE) to a macro site once you hit cell edge and not drop a bit in bitrate.
There are propriety things that I am currently working on that I can't essentially go into real specifics but if you search for Nokia Airframe on Google, im sure the Chinese have leaked slide decks.
Love it
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:23 pm to UpToPar
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They voted to deregulate a private industry to allow those private companies to run their respective company as they see fit. This is a perfect example of small government and free market.
ISPs =/= free market no matter how much you want it to be. That argument is ignorant.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:24 pm to stout
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Do you really think this is even remotely a possibility?
Comcast owns NBC, MSNBC, NBC news...
Time Warner owns CNN.
Which news network do you think will profit your ISP most by you watching?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:24 pm to UpToPar
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Which is fine. As I said, I thought that net neutrality was a good thing. But, I certainly didnt think that repealing it was big government at work, which is what my initial post addressed
What it is is definition regulatory capture.
Separate from the larger issue of repealing NN; Ajit Pai is also planning to overturn ANY state laws that do not conform with his regulatory agenda. Meaning, state laws that mandate cable companies don’t engage in predatory billing practices with hidden fees, shifting fee schedules and require price transparency will be overridden with new regulation.
Because nothing helps a natural monopoly market function even better for consumers than information assymetry and hidden fees.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:25 pm to slackster
any chance we think Congress overturns this? a lot of seats to potentially lose next year
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:25 pm to tigerfan88
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No it was big corporation at work. Which is mind boggling that people who despise big government are so ok with big corporations having the same power. The gov’t has was more public and legal checks on it than these huge monolithic companies
I hate how american society has devolved into either being ruled by a party favoring gov't overpower or a party favoring corporate overpower. Why can't we find equilibrium?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:25 pm to bonhoeffer45
We don’t like big gov’t fighting big corporations. But we’re perfectly fine with the gov’t helping big corporations
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:26 pm to OweO
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Personally, I don't like the government telling companies that they are allowed to restrict what services I can access, what websites I can visit, etc.
What? You just threw government in there to "take it out" as if it validates your position. This is the problem I have. People are becoming mental gymnast to act as though the repeal of NN cuts against their small government and free market beliefs. People will do everything they can to avoid being a hypocrite when, what people should do, is recognize that these things are not black and white and being a proponent of small government does not mean that government and regulation do not have their place.
Explain to me have the FCC voting to repeal government regulation is in any way an example of the government regulating how a business can run its business.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:27 pm to rocket31
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any chance we think Congress overturns this? a lot of seats to potentially lose next year
From here it goes to the courts. Republicans just handed the Dems an enormous issue to campaign on.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:28 pm to slackster
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ISPs =/= free market no matter how much you want it to be. That argument is ignorant.
It's a better example of a free market than it was under NN.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:29 pm to stout
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I won't argue data caps but lol at this statement. Do you really think this is even remotely a possibility?
Stout, they do this elsewhere all the time.
You pay $40/month for the basic internet package with unlimited access to, let's say, the top 200 websites. If you want to go to another website outside of the package, it will count against your 5 GB of off package data for the month.
You want to go to Facebook, no problem. You want to go to TigerDroppings, you be better do so strategically.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:30 pm to UpToPar
Well, the the gov’t is basically letting 4-5 huge ISP they’re in bed with control how thousands of smaller businesses will run. Instead of having a rule that affects the 4-5 huge businesses and lets the thousands of smaller ones operate with less restrictions.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:31 pm to slackster
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Stout, they do this elsewhere all the time.
You pay $40/month for the basic internet package with unlimited access to, let's say, the top 200 websites. If you want to go to another website outside of the package, it will count against your 5 GB of off package data for the month.
You want to go to Facebook, no problem. You want to go to TigerDroppings, you be better do so strategically.
You're making too black and white to support your position. It won't be as over simplistic as you are stating it and you know that unless you are just being obtuse.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:31 pm to tigerfan88
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Well, the the gov’t is basically letting 4-5 huge ISP they’re in bed with
So, we found the problem.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 2:32 pm to UpToPar
But for the millionth time, there is plenty of historical and economical evidence that certain markets are in practicality more free with a little regulation than with zero regulation.
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