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re: Napoleon Bonaparte's win-loss record is a sight to behold...

Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:21 pm to
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
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Posted on 12/10/23 at 9:21 pm to
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The entirety of the Army of Italy was barefoot when he took command of it in March 1796. It didn't stop him from conquering all of northern Italy.




Posted by Clark14
Earth
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:06 am to
Napoleon wasn’t in the SEC….
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 4:51 am to
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Napoleon Bonaparte never directly fought against Americans during his military career.


And if he had it would have been disastrous for the U.S. Army as we couldn't even launch a successful invasion of Canada during the War of 1812. Not to mention the population of the United States was little more than seven million during this period while the population of France all by itself was something like 30 million. That's not even counting her allies who fought alongside them during the Napoleonic Wars.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:26 am to
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Napoleon wasn’t in the SEC….


South European Conference?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:59 am to
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Lee did a lot with a little.


He used his resources poorly in certain respects. He fought the wrong type of war considering the political objectives.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:05 am to
Khalid ibn Walid and I think Takeda Shingen are two other generals who had lopsided win-loss records. Both competed against groups with more resources and both were possibly undefeated in battle.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:12 am to
Lee wasnt in the same stratosphere as Napoleon. Napoleon would have most definitely won the South independence. Napoleon ultimately had to be defeated by his enemies running away and destroying their own lands.

Lee and the South took a completely wrong approach to secure Southern independence. A few skilled and motivated men infiltrating northern cities and wrecking shop would have terrified DC. South chose to be honorable and lose
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:33 am to
Good book, as you requested


LINK

The Campaigns of Napoleon by Chandler
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:33 am to
Yeah but Napoleon played in the ACC. He didn’t have to deal with the grind of the SEC, like Lee.

Napoleon would have been shut out of the the playoffs.
Posted by Tmcgin
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:44 am to
Lee played a home schedule and when he ventured away---
Antietam and Gettysburg It did not go well

It was about slavery by the way
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:53 am to
Can I be a big fan of both men?
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
57015 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:11 am to
We didn't have a professional army.

he did and probably the best one in the world at that.


Someone questioned my statement about Caesar not making Napoleon's mistakes. Um, Caesar did not make mistakes and his battles were tactical brilliance in action.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37749 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:15 am to
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Napoleon Bonaparte's win-loss record is a sight to behold..

You cannot stop me. I spend 30,000 men a month

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The man was a true military genius who ran circles around just about every single country/general he came across.

Or he realized a nation at war will overcome small but elite mercenary groups by simply throwing unending columns at them
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34684 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:16 am to
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Lee was Vandy vs Bama/Georgia


Lee was Vandy vs. Bama/Georgia where a victory was covering the 30 point spread. If Vandy has the lead at halftime and then gets blown out by 40 points at the end, what credit do they deserve? Nothing.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69857 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 4:49 pm to
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Or he realized a nation at war will overcome small but elite mercenary groups by simply throwing unending columns at them


You do realize he was outnumbered in most of the campaigns he fought, don’t you?
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:04 pm to
How many men did Napoleon lose vs Lee? Would be interested in those numbers.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69857 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:15 pm to
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How many men did Napoleon lose vs Lee? Would be interested in those numbers.


Well Robert E. Lee commanded armies in 22 battles compared to Napoleon Bonaparte’s 82. The size of the armies involved in the Napoleonic Wars were often much larger than those in the American Civil War due to mass conscription in Europe, thus making the battles far larger and bloodier.

For instance, the bloodiest single day of battle in the American Civil War was Antietam Creek. That day saw some 22,700 Americans fall in combat. Compare that to the Battle of Borodino, where an estimated 74,000 French and Russians fell in a single day’s worth of combat.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17852 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:27 pm to
Just stopped by to say this thread has been fascinating keep it up.

Also, although not the best field general Alexander the Greats Opis Mutiny speech is simply amazing every time I hear it.
Posted by Usurp
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:31 pm to
Now do Robert E. Lee's budget vs Napoleon's
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69857 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:40 pm to
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Now do Robert E. Lee's budget vs Napoleon's



Once again...you have to compare Lee to what he was up against to Napoleon with what he was up against. Lee's odds were long, it is very true, but you are fooling yourself if you think Napoleon's odds weren't even longer.

Robert E. Lee had to contend with half (albeit the industrialized half) of the United States. Whereas Napoleon was fighting Europe's leading powers (Great Britain, Russia, Prussia, Austria, and Spain), often all at the same time. Many times throughout the Napoleonic Wars he would have multiple nations throwing multiple armies at his borders. Many times he would defeat them all in spectacular fashion.
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