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re: My first encounter with an a-hole cop
Posted on 12/15/18 at 8:03 pm to tigerclaw10
Posted on 12/15/18 at 8:03 pm to tigerclaw10
He didn’t give you a breathalyzer on the spot? This sounds fishy
Posted on 12/15/18 at 9:15 pm to Tygerfan
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And last, with the implied consent law if you drive a motor vehicle on the public roads you have given consent to perform the SFST and Inyoxilyzer test. If you refuse, you are backing out on the deal you made with the state when you decided to drive on the public roads, therefore a refusal has penalties.
I don't doubt you and have seen this referenced before. Could you point me to the specific wording of this "deal" that was made? Was it a document that was signed or is the specific wording of a revised statute? Just curious where this comes from.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 9:33 pm to eitek1
quote:I don’t know the statute, but I’ve certainly been told by many a cop that driving is a privilege and not a right. Then they usually give me the implied consent spiel.quote:don't doubt you and have seen this referenced before. Could you point me to the specific wording of this "deal" that was made? Was it a document that was signed or is the specific wording of a revised statute? Just curious where this comes from.
And last, with the implied consent law if you drive a motor vehicle on the public roads you have given consent to perform the SFST and Inyoxilyzer test. If you refuse, you are backing out on the deal you made with the state when you decided to drive on the public roads, therefore a refusal has penalties.
Not saying a cop wouldn’t lie, but if they are lying about that then they’ve all got their stories in sync.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 9:56 pm to Tygerfan
I looked it up myself and you are partially correct.
The law states that you only have to submit to a breathalyzer or blood test. It doesn't mention a field sobriety test or the flashlight to the eyes test or anything else, just the "chemical" test.
The law...
PART XIV. TESTS FOR SUSPECTED DRUNKEN DRIVERS
§661. Operating a vehicle under the influence of alcoholic beverages or illegal substance or controlled dangerous substances; implied consent to chemical tests; administering of test and presumptions
A.(1) Any person, regardless of age, who operates a motor vehicle upon the public highways of this state shall be deemed to have given consent, subject to the provisions of R.S. 32:662, to a chemical test or tests of his blood, breath, urine, or other bodily substance for the purpose of determining the alcoholic content of his blood, and the presence of any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964 in his blood if arrested for any offense arising out of acts alleged to have been committed while the person was driving or in actual physical control of a motor vehicle while believed to be under the influence of alcoholic beverages or any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964.
(2)(a) The test or tests shall be administered at the direction of a law enforcement officer having reasonable grounds to believe the person, regardless of age, to have been driving or in actual physical control of a motor vehicle upon the public highways of this state while under the influence of either alcoholic beverages or any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964. The law enforcement agency by which such officer is employed shall designate in writing and under what conditions which of the aforesaid tests shall be administered.
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And last, with the implied consent law if you drive a motor vehicle on the public roads you have given consent to perform the SFST and Inyoxilyzer test. If you refuse, you are backing out on the deal you made with the state when you decided to drive on the public roads, therefore a refusal has penalties
The law states that you only have to submit to a breathalyzer or blood test. It doesn't mention a field sobriety test or the flashlight to the eyes test or anything else, just the "chemical" test.
The law...
PART XIV. TESTS FOR SUSPECTED DRUNKEN DRIVERS
§661. Operating a vehicle under the influence of alcoholic beverages or illegal substance or controlled dangerous substances; implied consent to chemical tests; administering of test and presumptions
A.(1) Any person, regardless of age, who operates a motor vehicle upon the public highways of this state shall be deemed to have given consent, subject to the provisions of R.S. 32:662, to a chemical test or tests of his blood, breath, urine, or other bodily substance for the purpose of determining the alcoholic content of his blood, and the presence of any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964 in his blood if arrested for any offense arising out of acts alleged to have been committed while the person was driving or in actual physical control of a motor vehicle while believed to be under the influence of alcoholic beverages or any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964.
(2)(a) The test or tests shall be administered at the direction of a law enforcement officer having reasonable grounds to believe the person, regardless of age, to have been driving or in actual physical control of a motor vehicle upon the public highways of this state while under the influence of either alcoholic beverages or any abused substance or controlled dangerous substance as set forth in R.S. 40:964. The law enforcement agency by which such officer is employed shall designate in writing and under what conditions which of the aforesaid tests shall be administered.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:45 pm to tigerclaw10
2 bad he didn't use his tazer or night stick on you.
Many of you deserve at least 1 or 2 good beatings, especially you 35 and under retards.
Do some of you wonders.
Many of you deserve at least 1 or 2 good beatings, especially you 35 and under retards.
Do some of you wonders.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:06 am to coonass27
quote:Don't spout off lies
Actually. If you refuse a breathalyzer, reguardless of the reason it’s being administered and what you ultimately get charged with, you will immediately loose your liscense for 1 year from that date
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:13 am to Torrence Hatch
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unfortunately, the only ones that are standing up to police are the radical left, which only furthers those that lean right to sympathize with police.
This is true, and it's sad. The right has no idea why it believes what it believes anymore. Do we want civil liberties or a police state?
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:42 am to Tygerfan
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Not a cop but I do work in a law profession. Let me tell you, there are WAYYYYYY more dumbass "lawyers" in this state who passed the bar by the skin of their teeth then there are a-hole cops. That makes this thread even better when 85% of the responses are "I'll talk to my lawyer about the mean cop".
Sorry, but any lawyer in the state that passed the bar no matter how low the score still knows more law than any cop in the state that is not a lawyer.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:28 am to EA6B
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Sorry, but any lawyer in the state that passed the bar no matter how low the score still knows more law than any cop in the state that is not a lawyer.
Obviously.. but criminal law and how it's applied is all the officers study and worry about. A lawyer had to learn all aspects of the different types of laws (civil, criminal..etc) but that doesn't mean they are an expert at one or the other and many did poorly in the subject of criminal law.
My point was, when it comes to criminal law and how it's applied, I have seen more lawyers stumble on that then cops. Maybe it's because some lawyers are just looking for a check and don't keep up with the yearly changing laws, who knows?
Im not a cop or defense attorney.... buttttt, if I have a question related to the louisiana criminal code and how it is applied, I'm calling a seasoned officer over a defense attorney.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:43 am to eitek1
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Any person...shall be deemed to have given consent...to a chemical test or tests of his blood...for the purpose of determining the alcoholic content of his blood...if arrested for any offense arising out of acts alleged to have been committed while the person was driving
Implied consent happens after you’ve been arrested for DWI.
Cops can’t force you to give blood and then arrest you.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:47 am to Meauxjeaux
And more legal stuff for the OP:
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(a) Except as provided in Subparagraph (d), if the person had a blood alcohol concentration at that time 0.05 percent or less by weight, it shall be presumed that the person was not under the influence of alcoholic beverages.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 6:49 am
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:50 am to Meauxjeaux
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Implied consent happens after you’ve been arrested for DWI. Cops can’t force you to give blood and then arrest you.
I can’t speak for Louisiana. But most states read implied consent for the PBT. Place you under arrest, mirandize you, then read implied consent for the intox.
Also for blood and urine, I could be wrong but I believe the US Supreme Court had a ruling now for blood or urine, you have to have a warrant for it.
From my understanding, most states have implied consent to piggy back on your license. Legally you do not have to perform standardized field sobriety tests, but if placed under arrest you are required to provide a breath sample.
I don’t know Louisiana law or code. I could be very wrong.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:54 am to Hammertime
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Don't spout off lies
Dude,
If you don’t blow, you loose it for a year. Reguardless if they draw blood after refusal and it comes back negative. Like mentioned earlier, you can file an appeal on this. But I’m not sure if the criteria and how that would go. Something tells me that you would still serve the suspension for refusal. Not because of the level or lack there of, but that you refused
Posted on 12/16/18 at 7:45 am to tigerclaw10
So you were driving after drinking.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:03 am to Tygerfan
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buttttt, if I have a question related to the louisiana criminal code and how it is applied, I'm calling a seasoned officer over a defense attorney
Are you saying you would take advice from a police officer over a criminal defense attorney? No offense, but that's a terrible idea.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:59 am to onelochevy
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I one had a friend who is a cop tell me to keep a small unopened bottle of booze in the pocket on my door panel. If you get pulled over and you have been drinking, pull that bottle out, open it and chug it. No way for them to prove you were drinking prior to getting pulled over.
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Onelochevy
There is an idiot in every conversation and we found ours. Get outta here with that stupid shite.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 1:40 pm to Tygerfan
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Tygerfan
You were a cop though, right? I thought I remember you being NOPD. I could very well be completely mistaken.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:07 pm to coonass27
quote:You have a license hearing pretty quickly after getting arrested (within a week IIRC). Get your lawyer to go after not blowing or doing the SFSTs, and you won't lose your license
If you don’t blow, you loose it for a year
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:44 pm to supadave3
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quote:
I one had a friend who is a cop tell me to keep a small unopened bottle of booze in the pocket on my door panel. If you get pulled over and you have been drinking, pull that bottle out, open it and chug it. No way for them to prove you were drinking prior to getting pulled over.
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Onelochevy
If he actually believes this he has to be the dumbest bastard on this site, and that says a lot !
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