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re: My first encounter with an a-hole cop

Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:23 am to
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:23 am to
I got one for ya"ll. A few months ago a co worker of mine didn't show up one monday morning. This was pretty unusual for him so myself and few others kept trying to call him with no answer. Well he lives in St.Tammany parish close to Slidell. He was pulling out of his street onto hwy 190 when a cop pulled him over claiming he ran a stop sign. While the cop is running his info it comes out that he apparently has a outstanding warrant for his arrest, he had no idea. He had gotten a DWI about 4 years prior but had paid everything up and served his probation and was clear of everything. All of this happened at 4am and they hauled him to jail. It was showing in the system that none of his fines had been paid. Luckily for him he had saved all of his receipts and paperwork. He had to get his sister to go to his house and dig it all out and bring it in. Some lazy arse had never entered it into the system. It ended up costing him a day of work.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:23 am to
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That does not change the fact that DWI laws are draconian bullshite laws designed to generate revenue that are allowed to continue to exist because the people with a vested interest in the money generated continually play on the emotions of the simple minded to keep the laws intact.


MADD is one of the worst organizations in the nation
Posted by W RRIOR
Member since Dec 2018
217 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:23 am to
Don't get me wrong, there are some good cops, but there are an equally (if not more) number of dickbag cops. I especially hate the ones who want to small talk with you before writing the ticket. Nowadays I just tell them, "Just write the ticket and get it over with." Way too many cops who abuse their authority and do shite just because they're in a uniform and know you can't do anything to them.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 10:26 am
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
9927 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:25 am to
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NE test that is not standardized but is often used and taught in the certification classes taken by police officers is the Vertical Gase Nystagmus (VGN) test. The VGN is similar to the Horizontal (HGN) test, except it tests for Nystagmus in the eyes when looking upwards instead of from left to right. A “positive” result on a VGN test could indicate that a person is severely intoxicated from alcohol, or it can be an indicator that a person is under the influence of other drugs such as CNS depressants, inhalants, or Dissociative Anesthetics like PCP. What is Vertical Gaze Nystagmus? Nystagmus is a medical term that refers to an involuntary jerking of the eye which can be an indication of intoxication from alcohol or certain types of drugs. Before beginning the test, the officer should check for resting nystagmus and the ability to track objects with the eyes, either of which could be an indicator of a medical condition that has nothing to do with intoxication. VGN is not typically conducted as a stand-alone FST. Usually the officer will conduct the HGN test and then check for VGN as a part of the HGN test process. VGN is often described as a drug test or a marijuana test, but this is not accurate – VGN will only indicate intoxication by drugs that would also cause HGN. It is nevertheless useful because, regardless of BAC, VGN should only appear at higher levels of impairment. The test subject should stand with their head perfectly still as the officer holds a small penlight, pen, or other small object 12-15 inches from the person’s eyes and then moves it upwards 12-15 inches in a fluid motion that should take about one second. The officer will then hold the position for four seconds while checking the eye for nystagmus. If the eye twitches while looking upwards the person has VGN. If the eye does not twitch, or if it twitches then stops before the four seconds are up, the person does not have VGN. Is the VGN test reliable? Like the HGN test, VGN is not a reliable indicator of intoxication when conducted alone. NHTSA has determined that HGN is a reliable indicator of impairment only when conducted in conjunction with the one-leg stand test and the walk and turn test, and only when the officer follows the protocol that NHTSA has laid out for administering each of the tests. Nystagmus is a medical condition and, although they may be certified in administration of SFST’s, officers are typically not doctors or medical professionals. Nystagmus can be caused by intoxication. Nystagmus is also caused by many other medical conditions that are completely unrelated to intoxication, and most police officers have no idea what these conditions are or how to diagnose them. Nystagmus can be caused by: multiple sclerosis brain tumor head injury eye injury hyperventilation flashing a light in front of one eye legal medications nicotine diabetic neuropathy inner ear disorders water in the ear eye strain neurological disorders This is by no means a complete list – there are many more conditions that can cause nystagmus which is why the HGN or VGN test must be done in conjunction with other tests and there must be other indicators of intoxication in addition to HGN or VGN. The South Carolina Supreme Court has held in State v. Sullivan that HGN (and VGN by implication) is sufficiently unreliable that it is not even admissible as evidence of DUI unless it is offered in conjunction with other tests. It is not conclusive evidence of DUI, it is circumstantial evidence only, and it cannot establish a specific degree of blood alcohol content: This Court concludes that evidence resulting from HGN tests, as from other field sobriety tests, is admissible when the HGN test was used to elicit objective manifestations of soberness or insobriety. See State v. Nagel, 30 Ohio App.3d 80, 506 N.E.2d 285 (1985). We hold that evidence arising from HGN tests is not conclusive proof of DUI. A positive HGN test result is to be regarded as merely circumstantial evidence of DUI. Furthermore, HGN tests shall not constitute evidence to establish a specific degree of blood alcohol content. See State v. Garrett, 119 Idaho 878, 811 P.2d 488 (1991). We hold that testimony relating to the HGN test was admissible in the present case because the HGN test was used in conjunction with other field sobriety tests to establish evidence of DUI.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12095 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:29 am to
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When we asked to get speed humps like Southsdowns has in BR, local government said it would "impede" emergency vehicles. How fast do said emergency vehicles need to go?

Your local government probably just didn’t want to spend the money on them; local governments are every bit as shitty as state and federal.

Having said that, there’s been significant evidence that speed bumps/humps ultimately cause more harm than good. The federal government of Australia is considering riding the entire nation of them because their recent study showed that for every person saved by speed bumps/humps costs over a dozen lives because emergency services were delayed. Also, some bigwig in the Texas State ambulance union (or something similar) said that their study showed nearly 100% of all emergency departments were slowed by speed bumps/humps. There’s also some town in the Midwest that held the record for most speed bumps but they are now removing all of them partly because of delays in emergency services.
Posted by TigerMeister
North shore
Member since Nov 2009
2390 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:36 am to
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TLDR; Got arrested for DWI, blew a .01, dick head cops suck arse.

Wait, so let me get this straight. Do you or do you not currently have a pending DUI charge? How did they not just let you go after only blowing a .01? Like others have said, just because you weren’t drunk doesn’t mean you weren’t on others drugs, but did you take a drug test? Sorry for the confusion, but that’s absolute bs that you’ll have to lawyer up and go through the process of fighting something that seams pretty cut and dry.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12095 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:37 am to
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Innocent until guilty and property ownership are the two biggest lies in our "free" society.

I’ll drink to that.
Posted by tigerclaw10
My house
Member since Jun 2010
4189 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:44 am to
As soon as I got out of the vehicle the cop asked if I had been drinking and I replied “no, you can even breathalyze me”, figuring he could do it from his vehicle. After I had been handcuffed and put in the back of the car, I asked him if I could see the gun that showed I was speeding. I was scared honestly and there is no way you can come off as scared and an a-hole at the same time.
Posted by Fourteen28
Member since Aug 2018
1156 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:47 am to
So are you gonna sue or what?
Posted by tigerclaw10
My house
Member since Jun 2010
4189 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:51 am to
I’ve never had a DUI, any DWI, and I don’t even show any speeding tickets on my record so it wasn’t like he thought I was a repeat offender
Posted by tigerclaw10
My house
Member since Jun 2010
4189 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:54 am to
I’m going to talk to my lawyer today and see what he thinks about it.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:55 am to
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DWI regulations and laws aren’t about public safety, they’re about revenue and elections.


I’ve gotten a DWI, and I definitely deserved it. I was actually too drunk to blow in the machine. Trust me, going through one has kept me from ever doing it again. Stupidity kept me from thinking about killing someone should keep me from doing it in the first place. The cop actually knew me very well, me being on the fire dept. We actually worked a double fatality together a couple days before due to drunk driver. I took a big suspension at work, went through the DWI process and for sure learned my lesson, never should have come to that. I know many others who don’t drink and drive due to what could happen if you get pulled over.

Eta: I went to jail and apparently spent the time telling jokes to thugs. Another cop I knew said I had everybody rolling laughing the whole time i was in there including the security guards. When buddy came and bailed me out and took me home I crashed in the bed. When I woke up realizing what happened, I can assure you I wasn’t laughing at all, awful feeling.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 11:02 am
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
15550 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:56 am to
Only read the first pg, this happened in BR?
Posted by tigerclaw10
My house
Member since Jun 2010
4189 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:56 am to
Lake Charles
Posted by TigerMeister
North shore
Member since Nov 2009
2390 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:59 am to
No, I mean did your arrest last night officially result in a DUI charge? I’m just confused as to why you weren’t just released since it seams they don’t have any evidence to charge you with. Or maybe that’s not how it works lol. I obviously don’t know much about the law
Posted by Fourteen28
Member since Aug 2018
1156 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:00 am to
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I’ve gotten a DWI, and I definitely deserved it. I was actually too drunk to blow in the machine. Trust me, going through one has kept me from ever doing it again. Stupidity kept me from thinking about killing someone should keep me from doing it in the first place. The cop actually knew me very well, me being on the fire dept. We actually worked a double fatality together a couple days before due to drunk driver. I took a big suspension at work, went through the DWI process and for sure learned my lesson, never should have come to that. I know many others who don’t drink and drive due to what could happen if you get pulled over.


You just set the record for using the word “actually” in a paragraph.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:02 am to
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You just set the record for using the word “actually” in a paragraph


Actually I edited to add and didn’t use it any in 2nd paragraph. But yea, I did use it too much
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 11:06 am
Posted by tigerspin
Member since Dec 2008
1683 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:19 am to
Did he do a blood draw or just the breathalyzer?

Blood draw would show any other drugs that may have been in your system.

If not, the officer/trooper/deputy will only be able to testify to whatever tests he performed or driving/personal behaviors he witnessed. Speeding was the reason for pulling you over but did he see you failing to maintain the lane of travel or swaying/stumbling on your feet, red & watery eyes, difficulty performing simple motor skills, etc.

Get an attorney and get any medical documentation of this vision problem. Proof of this and the absence of any blood tests (if there was one) and highly likely this case gets dropped quick.

Also, just responding to some stuff from other comments: the portable breath test law enforcement use on roadside aren’t admissible in court. So, yeah, it will give you a roughly accurate BAC but it isn’t THE number they use in court. Court only accepts BAC from the actual large typewriter-looking breathalyzer unit. They are calibrated regularly and are more accurate.

Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
20102 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:00 pm to
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So tonight driving home at around midnight I got pulled over by a cop who said I was speeding. Asked me to step out of the vehicle and take a field sobriety test which I agreed to do because, well you know, I wasn’t anywhere close to drunk. After taking the field sobriety test and clearly stating that I have a bad eye, and this makes my eyes jump when following an object, the douche bag arrests me and takes me in because my eyes were shaking as I followed the pen. Puts me in cuffs, tells me my truck is gonna get towed if I don’t have someone come pick it up. So I wake up my girl to come get my truck and I take my ride to jail. We get there and honestly I was scared as frick because I am not a thug and don’t really feel comfortable in jail. I blew a .01. Dude was such an a-hole the whole time about all of it. And I asked if he had any sort of way to show me I was speeding and he told me, “That’s not how this works.” Can I challenge this in any way? TLDR; Got arrested for DWI, blew a .01, dick head cops suck arse.

Where did this happen? City/Town?
Posted by ecb
Member since Jul 2010
9338 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:15 pm to
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DWI regulations and laws aren’t about public safety, they’re about revenue and elections.


So fricking dumb, I lost brain cells, even by OT standards that’s just dumb.
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