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re: More credence to the theory that this virus was in the United States as early as December

Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:41 am to
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52485 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:41 am to
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California likely already hit its peak and it wasn't that bad


Yep.

I’d be eager to see the epidemiological equivalent to the after action report explaining why LA and NYC has such different outcomes.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452765 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:43 am to
i posted about that this morning

i am curious if the China strain Cali got and the Euro strain NYC got were different

INJECT THAT CHINA COVID IN MY VEINS NOW
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40089 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:49 am to
Doesn’t matter. Someone on Feb 6 had covid. They probably weren’t the person that brought it here either.

It’s been here longer than experts have been believing.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40089 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:50 am to
I truly think the difference in outcomes and spread is due to life styles between CA and NYC. I mean just look at population densities and the prevalence of automobiles
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34710 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:02 am to
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That is on par with the rest of the Covid deaths. Why not this one?


Is that what OAN is telling you these days?
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
13709 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:16 am to
Not as severe but our family did likewise during Christmas season. Was particularly concerned with my wife and she showed negative for the flu. I believe we experienced it.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16718 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:16 am to
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Straight from the top of the article. So much bullshite going on. Did Covid kill the person or did they die with it? For all we know from the article they died of a heart attack but they had asymptomatic Covid.


I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that if someone died of an heart attack that it would already be known.

But beyond that, that wasn't the point of the article. The article was to show that this virus has indeed already been here longer than what was previously speculated.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5576 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:18 am to
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More credence to the theory that this virus was in the United States as early as December
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The earliest of which died on February 6




That's quite a leap you make there. I'll agree this was circulating more than anyone realized early on, but until there is actual evidence of someone having it in December it's just a theory with nothing backing it up.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22521 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:19 am to
I’m trying to figure out how all these Covid positive people died at home from Covid? That was my point. Makes a lot more sense they died of a heart attack or stroke or something else that’s a quicker death.

NYC is trying to do the same thing, reclassify a bunch of deaths from people that didn’t make it to the hospital. Why aren’t people sick and having a hard time breathing for days not making it to the hospital?
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:21 am to
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That's quite a leap you make there.
It isn't that big of a leap. Someone dieing with the illness in early February, indicates that they likely contracted it in January. It isn't a big leap to assume it was circulating a month or more before the first death. Given that it was in China in October, it is likely it made it to the US by the end of December.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 8:23 am
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22455 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:21 am to
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Straight from the top of the article. So much bullshite going on. Did Covid kill the person or did they die with it? For all we know from the article they died of a heart attack but they had asymptomatic Covid.


Sure, but the most important thing here is the proof that the virus was here much earlier than previously confirmed and therefore likely far more widespread than thought. It means the death rate is probably lower and way more people have been exposed which helps us get closer to herd immunity.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19461 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:21 am to
We're almost certain my dad, in Covington, had it in early January. All the symptoms, Dr chalked it up as pneumonia, but chest xrays looked negative. Doc couldn't figure it out. Bed ridden for 9 days. Lost like 20 lbs
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22521 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:22 am to
Also, people really don’t understand there’s other virus’s going around all the time that are not Covid or Influenza. Everyone sick this winter that’s negative with the flu thinks they had Covid, when in reality the testing has proven that something like 60-75% of people are testing negative for Covid even with the symptoms.

Now I’m not convinced our testing isn’t fricked and throwing a bunch of false negatives or positives. But that’s a different story. Even with bad testing, most people that think they had Covid are testing as negative.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22521 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:23 am to
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Sure, but the most important thing here is the proof that the virus was here much earlier than previously confirmed and therefore likely far more widespread than thought. It means the death rate is probably lower and way more people have been exposed which helps us get closer to herd immunity.


If this is legit, absolutely agree. It’s out of San Francisco and libs are fighting each other over who is the worst off. I’m not convinced there’s not a lot of frickery going on here.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22521 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:25 am to
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Someone dieing with the illness in early February, indicates that they likely contracted it in January. It isn't a big leap to assume it was circulating a month or more before the first death. Given that it was in China in October, it is likely it made it to the US by the end of December.


We don’t know if he died of it or with it. If he died with it, he could have easily contracted it in early February and then died of a heart attack. If he died of it then yes he likely got it 2-3 weeks prior. Lot of big IFs though.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42131 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:26 am to
My husband attended the NADA conference in Vegas At the end of January. A few days after he returned he had a horrible dry cough but no other symptoms. A week after that, I had a dry cough so intense my chest, back and throat hurt from all the coughing. It last about 5 days but then developed bronchitis that lasted for over 7 weeks and I had to use an inhaler during that time.

M convinced we both had it already.
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:27 am to
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We don’t know if he died of it or with it.
And what did i say?

quote:

If he died with it, he could have easily contracted it in early February and then died of a heart attack.
He could have, but, as I said, since he died Feb 6, it is likely he contracted it in January.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35359 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:28 am to
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My son was in ICU over Christmas with "croup", then a week later my wife ended up in the hospital with flu like symptoms.
Other than my wife going to an urgent care but not hospitalized, almost the same thing happened to my son (ER on Christmas with “croup”) and wife (negative flu test, mid December).

It was just in December of 2016.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
87566 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:32 am to
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know one thing. Back in Dec and into Jan, the wife and I had a dry cough for a good 30 days. Both were tested for Flu which was a neg. It kicked our arse big time
same. Also read what Broke wrote about on here with his experience.

My wife had it bad. Could hardly get out of bed for a few days, trouble breathing and she went to the dr 3 or 4x and all they prescribed was steroids because they couldn't find a reason to give her antibiotics. Flu test negative.

She spent the better part of January fighting it off and we just found out her dad was deathly ill in the same timeframe (we had all gotten together for Christmas) but refused to tell us because he's bull-headed.
Posted by cubsfinger
On The Road
Member since Mar 2017
1777 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 8:32 am to
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We're all anxious to get our hands on an antibody test.


Don’t be. I was certain I had it. Mardi Gras day I got super sick in a Georgia and it’s was severe respiratory that lingered for two weeks. I’ve never had prior respiratory sicknesses .
I am flying to Mexico via private plane Monday for work and a we had the antibody test done in Covington last week. We all came back negative .
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