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More credence to the theory that this virus was in the United States as early as December
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:48 am
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:48 am
The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that posthumous autopsies are showing that multiple people died in the city of San Francisco from coronavirus before the city's first official death back on March 9. The earliest of which died on February 6 - nearly an entire month before the first official death recorded in the United States.
That means this virus has been circulating in the population far longer than the January 15 "patient zero" in Washington. It's quite likely it has been here since December as the virus typically takes a month to kill you. So the person who died back on February 6 likely contracted the virus in early January.
San Francisco Chronicle
That means this virus has been circulating in the population far longer than the January 15 "patient zero" in Washington. It's quite likely it has been here since December as the virus typically takes a month to kill you. So the person who died back on February 6 likely contracted the virus in early January.
San Francisco Chronicle
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:49 am to RollTide1987
I can believe that.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:49 am to RollTide1987
San Francisco. Where dead people vote and somehow catch COVID-19.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:50 am to RollTide1987
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posthumous autopsies
Are there other types of autopsies?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:55 am to Indefatigable
Vivasections.
But medical schools gave those up some time ago.
But medical schools gave those up some time ago.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:58 am to Bullfrog
“A person who died at home in Santa Clara County on Feb. 6 was infected with the coronavirus at the time of death, a stunning discovery that makes that individual the first recorded COVID-19 fatality in the United States“
Straight from the top of the article. So much bullshite going on. Did Covid kill the person or did they die with it? For all we know from the article they died of a heart attack but they had asymptomatic Covid.
Straight from the top of the article. So much bullshite going on. Did Covid kill the person or did they die with it? For all we know from the article they died of a heart attack but they had asymptomatic Covid.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:58 am to RollTide1987
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That means this virus has been circulating in the population far longer than the January 15 "patient zero" in Washington.
How exactly is a death in February proof that not only was it here before 1/15, but was “likely” here in Dec.
I swear, you are one of the worst ones to take a fact and spin it to mean whatever you want it to.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:02 am to RollTide1987
My son was in ICU over Christmas with "croup", then a week later my wife ended up in the hospital with flu like symptoms. I felt really sick a couple days, but then it just turned into sinus issues. The family that visited all got the same symptoms after returning home, not a single positive flu test
We're all anxious to get our hands on an antibody test.
We're all anxious to get our hands on an antibody test.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:05 am to baldona
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Straight from the top of the article. So much bullshite going on. Did Covid kill the person or did they die with it? For all we know from the article they died of a heart attack but they had asymptomatic Covid.
The notion of going back and doing an autopsy is odd to me.
If you take it literally, it couldn’t have been asymptomatic COVID if it had gross symptoms evident on autopsy.
And if they were going back and testing for COVID....well you don’t need an autopsy for that.
I guess a lot depends on why was it tested now?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:07 am to baldona
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Straight from the top of the article. So much bullshite going on. Did Covid kill the person or did they die with it? For all we know from the article they died of a heart attack but they had asymptomatic Covid.
That is on par with the rest of the Covid deaths. Why not this one?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:11 am to Volvagia
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And if they were going back and testing for COVID....well you don’t need an autopsy for that.
They sent tissue samples to the CDC
How else would you do it? An airport is just a post death examination
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All three residents died at home “during a time when very limited testing was available only through the CDC,” the county statement said. “Testing criteria set by the CDC at the time restricted testing to only individuals with a known travel history and who sought medical care for specific symptoms,” the statement said. “As the medical examiner-coroner continues to carefully investigate deaths throughout the county, we anticipate additional deaths from COVID-19 will be identified.”
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:12 am to baldona
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Did Covid kill the person or did they die with it?
And what if Eye-Gore switched the brains in the lab? That would prove this was engineered by evil scientists in a lab in Wuhan and sprayed over the California Central Valley by crop dusters in a Democratic plot to embarrass Trump.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:12 am to RollTide1987
I would be quick to laugh this off and claim that SF is just fear mongering and being overly dramatic about it or trying to get more federal funds, but I know a number of people here in Alabama who swear they got the coronavirus as early as late December.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:23 am to East Coast Band
But seriously, back in the good old days, before mid-March, there was a tremendous amount of movement of people around the world in airports, cargo ships, etc. This virus likely came into the US through hundreds of points of entry and spread very rapidly. Im certain that there were a suspicious deaths going back a couple of weeks or months all over the place.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:25 am to TBoy
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But seriously, back in the good old days, before mid-March, there was a tremendous amount of movement of people around the world in airports, cargo ships, etc. This virus likely came into the US through hundreds of points of entry and spread very rapidly. Im certain that there were a suspicious deaths going back a couple of weeks or months all over the place.
i don't think people disagree with this now
which makes the argument for staying closed even weaker
California likely already hit its peak and it wasn't that bad
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:32 am to East Coast Band
My doubt that it was here in December is that the nursing home and other old people cases (the initial red flags in the outbreak it seems) don’t correspond with the disease being here undetected pre-Christmas.
Someone,somewhere, would have visited nana in the nursing home with a cough for Christmas without thinking twice about it. Same with the non-nursing home bound elderly, they would all be together with extended family on Christmas - and wouldn’t really avoided Timmy if he said he didn’t feel too good.
Anytime after that is in play for some areas. I don’t think many people go spend a whole lot of time with their elderly relatives in January so from then on it could circulate amongst the healthy before hitting a more vulnerable population which is where we see the nursing home spike.
Someone,somewhere, would have visited nana in the nursing home with a cough for Christmas without thinking twice about it. Same with the non-nursing home bound elderly, they would all be together with extended family on Christmas - and wouldn’t really avoided Timmy if he said he didn’t feel too good.
Anytime after that is in play for some areas. I don’t think many people go spend a whole lot of time with their elderly relatives in January so from then on it could circulate amongst the healthy before hitting a more vulnerable population which is where we see the nursing home spike.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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which makes the argument for staying closed even weaker
Can’t disagree with that. I think we are still on track to release most restrictions at the scheduled date of May 1. Going beyond that would be counter productive, IMO.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:39 am to BreesyInBigEasy
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An airport is just a post death examination
Of a corpse. Not tissue analysis 3 months later.
You collect a sample in an autopsy. Running it later isn’t it’s own autopsy.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:41 am to TBoy
I know one thing. Back in Dec and into Jan, the wife and I had a dry cough for a good 30 days. Both were tested for Flu which was a neg. It kicked our arse big time. 
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:41 am to TBoy
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Can’t disagree with that. I think we are still on track to release most restrictions at the scheduled date of May 1.
i don't know if JBE will but by mid-May it will be hard not to
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Going beyond that would be counter productive, IMO.
it already is
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