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Michigan retiree's home seized for an $8.41 tax bill - county may be in legal trouble

Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:02 pm
Suburban Detroit

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Michigan county treasurer rebuked for seizing retiree's home over $8 tax debt

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Officials in one Michigan county are demanding answers from their treasurer amid concerns that the county could be on the hook for millions of dollars in payments to former homeowners whose properties were seized under a tough forfeiture practice.

Oakland County commissioners sent an angry letter last week to Treasurer Andrew Meisner after the Michigan Supreme Court rebuked the county’s decision to seize one homeowner’s house after he underpaid his taxes by $8.41.

The commissioners said that they are forming a special investigative committee to look into the forfeiture practices and "make recommendations to protect the Oakland County taxpayers."

“It appears your actions as Treasurer to foreclose on an Oakland County retiree’s property for $8.41 has exposed the county to serious risk,” the July 21 letter to Meisner, signed by board Chairman David Woodward and commissioners Mike Gingell and Helen Zack, said, according to the Detroit News.


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The Michigan Supreme Court’s rebuke centers on the case of Uri Rafaeli, a retiree in his 80s whose 1,500-square-foot house in the Detroit suburb of Southfield was seized in 2014 and then sold for $24,500, with the county keeping all the earnings.

While Rafaeli’s case was stunning at the time, it is hardly unique: more than 100,000 homeowners in the state have fallen victim to an aggressive property tax law that legislators in Lansing passed two decades ago. Similar statutes have been passed in more than a dozen other states.


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Oakland County officials – and those in other counties across Michigan – are now worried that the high court’s ruling will open the floodgates for litigation as former homeowners whose properties were seized look to get the money from the sale of their seized homes.

During a court appearance last year, William Horton and John Bursch, the county’s attorneys, argued that a ruling in favor of Rafaeli would set a precedent that could ultimately bankrupt Michigan counties by forcing local governments to compensate all homeowners in similar situations. He estimated it would cost around $2 billion.




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There are 14 other states in the U.S. that have statutes on the books similar to Michigan, and five of those states – Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts and Nebraska – allow private investors to make money off the sale of foreclosed homes.

“The government should not be making a windfall ... when collecting unpaid taxes,” she said last year. “This is a practice that needs to come to an end.”
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
45594 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:03 pm to
Private property is a myth.
Posted by StealthCalais11
Lurker since 2007
Member since Aug 2011
12555 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:05 pm to
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During a court appearance last year, William Horton and John Bursch, the county’s attorneys, argued that a ruling in favor of Rafaeli would set a precedent that could ultimately bankrupt Michigan counties by forcing local governments to compensate all homeowners in similar situations. He estimated it would cost around $2 billion.


Good. frick dem
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
62257 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:05 pm to
Send this to LaToya
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
11679 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:06 pm to
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Michigan retiree's home seized for an $8.41 tax bill


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1,500-square-foot house in the Detroit suburb of Southfield was seized in 2014 and then sold for $24,500, with the county keeping all the earnings
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That's just straight up gangsta. I mean there are crime bosses doing time for shite like this.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20431 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:07 pm to
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Uri Rafaeli, a retiree in his 80s
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after he underpaid his taxes by $8.41.


What heartless motherfricker would do this to that guy? Just pull a $10 out of your pocket and pay the guys bill.

Damn.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42544 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:08 pm to
I thought tax sale they had to give owner amount after tax debt paid

Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
5283 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:09 pm to
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I thought tax sale they had to give owner amount after tax debt paid


They do.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:10 pm to
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The Michigan Supreme Court’s rebuke centers on the case of Uri Rafaeli, a retiree in his 80s whose 1,500-square-foot house in the Detroit suburb of Southfield was seized in 2014 and then sold for $24,500, with the county keeping all the earnings.




Know some cousins in Sevier County Arkansas that would have taken a lot more than 8 bucks out of an arse if this happened to PaPaw or Pop back in the day. That's disgusting.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
79702 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:11 pm to
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What heartless motherfricker would do this to that guy? Just pull a $10 out of your pocket and pay the guys bill.

Damn.


Especially when it says it was an underpayment. Meaning he paid some of it, and may have just mistakenly not paid all of it. You're going to take a guys house for a mistake less than $10?
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
11679 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:11 pm to
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I thought tax sale they had to give owner amount after tax debt paid


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They do.


They didn't. To the tune of $2 billion.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:11 pm to
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That's just straight up gangsta. I mean there are crime bosses doing time for shite like this.



Civil Asset Forfeiture without driving down the road.

America loves to frick the little guy. Just true.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:14 pm to
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I thought tax sale they had to give owner amount after tax debt paid

They do.


Clearly they do not country-wide or else this wouldn't be a story.

Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139245 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:16 pm to
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Private property is a myth.

This x1000

You don't own property. The government leases it to you.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:16 pm to
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During a court appearance last year, William Horton and John Bursch, the county’s attorneys, argued that a ruling in favor of Rafaeli would set a precedent that could ultimately bankrupt Michigan counties by forcing local governments to compensate all homeowners in similar situations. He estimated it would cost around $2 billion.


Oh well.
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
21969 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:17 pm to
Sounds personal. Was the guy vocal about supporting Trump?
Posted by AgCoug
Houston
Member since Jan 2014
6775 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

During a court appearance last year, William Horton and John Bursch, the county’s attorneys, argued that a ruling in favor of Rafaeli would set a precedent that could ultimately bankrupt Michigan counties by forcing local governments to compensate all homeowners in similar situations. He estimated it would cost around $2 billion.


Well, seeing as how they took this money in the first place it should be no problem, right? Right?
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8627 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:19 pm to
That public official should go to jail
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:20 pm to
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You don't own property. The government leases it to you.



Hell. Ever try to build something simple in the city limits? A shed? Maybe a new metal shop? Can't do a darn thing without someone telling you how to live.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 3:21 pm
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
12789 posts
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:21 pm to
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes—amirite?
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