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re: Medicare will become insolvent in 2026 — three years earlier than previously forecast
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:18 pm to fallguy_1978
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:18 pm to fallguy_1978
That was universal healthcare for everyone. I am staying on topic and talking about Medicare. Nice deflect tho.
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:18 pm to CelticDog
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Administrative overhead is double that of Medicare at the for profit companies.
Right, and this cost is passed down to the consumers (you and me, with private insurance).
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:22 pm to MSMHater
America is arrogant as frick. We lead the world in shite food and no one can stop us. Want to curb healthcare cost? Washington would say F YOU General Mills, Nabisco and Coca Cola ( and hundreds more ). Cant happen because, you know, capitalism.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:37 pm to Lsupimp
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And I’ll raise you the BROKE arse rest of the first world with catastrophic levels of unfunded liabilities that depends entirely on the USA for military protection, rations health care, is horribly inefficient, that doesn’t incentivize medical research or pharmaceutical investment and that lets State bureaucrats decide who lives and dies.
I cannot wait to see how the pharma side of things plays out. Will other countries universal healthcare really be so cheap if they have to start actually paying their fair share on drugs? If we move to Universal and stop funding the world's drug research it could get interesting. Other countries health systems won't look so cheap and glorious.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:41 pm to Sao
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America is arrogant as frick. We lead the world in shite food and no one can stop us. Want to curb healthcare cost? Washington would say F YOU General Mills, Nabisco and Coca Cola ( and hundreds more ). Cant happen because, you know, capitalism.
The better way is for government to stop paying for healthcare for people who do not listen to doctor's orders for unhealthy lifestyles. Obesity, smoking, drinking, etc.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:44 pm to lsu13lsu
That would be labeled racist real, real fast. 
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:47 pm to lsu13lsu
NYC made soft drinks a target and TD went ape shite about it.
no Stalinist is going tell me what to do.
no Stalinist is going tell me what to do.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:49 pm to CelticDog
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NYC made soft drinks a target and TD went ape shite about it.
no Stalinist is going tell me what to do.
Taxes are a terrible way. Some people can afford their bad habits. I am more concerned with the government subsidizing bad habits. If you have bad habits the government shouldn't be paying for your healthcare.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:52 pm to Lsupimp
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That you believe that the US Government, with all of its built- in inefficiencies, with its incredible layers of bureaucracy, all those idiots at all those desks, would provide a superior healthcare system then one based on economic efficiencies and market forces is pure magical thinking
I don't like the alternative either. A company has an economic interest and directly makes more profit by denying my claim.
I know, you are thinking that company will not stay in business for the long term with this kind of thinking. That may be the case but CEOs these days are not looking at long term viability. They are looking at getting their money now and denying claims gets them money now.
Honestly, I am not crazy about either method. I am just really averse to the idea of someone making more profit by killing me.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
Obviously
Rich pay some more.
Middle class pay some more.
Ta da.
So easy even a republican can write the bill.
Rich pay some more.
Middle class pay some more.
Ta da.
So easy even a republican can write the bill.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:54 pm to Sao
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Washington would say F YOU General Mills, Nabisco and Coca Cola ( and hundreds more ). Cant happen because, you know, capitalism.
I wish you were able to think your way through that laughably bad Authoritarian premise. And just so you hear it, not that you'll actually understand it, it's not Capitalism that stands in the way of your Utopian vision of State coercion and State planning, it's the CONSTITUTION. As much as you and Maxine Waters hate this fact, you can't just seize private companies and put them under the control of The State because Free people make bad choices.
And God bless Capitalism. It's a terrible system. Just infinitely LESS terrible than any other system that man has ever used to organize his economic activity. Although it does tend to be mean to you Unicorn shepherds.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:56 pm to Sao
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America is arrogant as frick. We lead the world in shite food and no one can stop us. Want to curb healthcare cost? Washington would say F YOU General Mills, Nabisco and Coca Cola ( and hundreds more ). Cant happen because, you know, capitalism.
It can't happen because freedom.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:59 pm to lsufan1971
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Medicaid is the issue
I worked for a Company once where we had to verify peoples disability for some random stuff.
9/10 we would call and ask had no idea why they were disabled
"I just been that way forever". Rural Dr's write these bums a letter so the Dr can bill Medicaid and get paid every time they come in for a stumped toe.
Bunch of bullshite
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:02 pm to RLDSC FAN
I have no idea what is going to happen, but I do know one thing. We need to change the current state of politics in this country in order for something significant to get done.
The liberal blame the conservatives, the conservatives blame the liberals. The party loyalty hurts this country because our senators and representatives are voting on issues based on their party's platform rather than approaching each issue separate and doing what's in the best interest of the country.
I am sure it is fixable, but the problem is.. No one wants to give up anything to fix other problems.. So there is no telling what will happen.
The liberal blame the conservatives, the conservatives blame the liberals. The party loyalty hurts this country because our senators and representatives are voting on issues based on their party's platform rather than approaching each issue separate and doing what's in the best interest of the country.
I am sure it is fixable, but the problem is.. No one wants to give up anything to fix other problems.. So there is no telling what will happen.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:05 pm to The Torch
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9/10 we would call and ask had no idea why they were disabled
SS disability is draining the general fund. Fraud is a huge problem there too.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:24 pm to cwil177
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I understand your skepticism, but we as tax payers pay 2x as much per person in the US for equal health care outcomes as are seen in Germany, France, and the UK
How much does it cost to have a baby in the UK?
If you've had a kid, did you take a look at the actual bill? I'm sorry, but delivering a baby, and my wife and kid staying at the hospital for 3 days total, shoud'nt cost $30k, even though i only paid $150 with my insurance. WHy are they charging you $50 for 2 Tylenol?
Seriously, how much does it cost the UK gov't to deliver a baby? From what i've read, it's around $3-9K depending on what's going on. That isn't possible in the US. Insurance and the citizen will likely pay near $30k. WHy are they delivering babies for $20k less in the UK?
The problem with our healthcare is no one gives a shite how much going to the doctor costs, b/c none of us actually pay what they are charging. Here's my $20 copay and the insurance pays the other $500.
The idiots that do the charges at these doctors offices frick shite up constantly, but it doesn't matter b/c your insurance company pays them whatever they say.
If people had to actual pay for going to the doctor when they have a cold, and had to fork over $400 for a 2 minute visit just to get a shot or some medicine, they'd suck it up and just go get some Mucinex instead.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:26 pm to chryso
Must be a government worker
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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but it doesn't matter b/c your insurance company pays them whatever they say.
You were on a roll until this. A doctor's "charge" means shite to a payer. There are contracted rates much less than the "charge". And getting them to even pay the contracted rates is an administrative challenge in itself. There is an entire industry whose sole purpose is working denials for physician offices. Payers use every technicality they can to NOT pay the doctor. Referrals, PA's, incorrect demographics, timely filing, etc....
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 2:31 pm to chryso
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I don't like the alternative either. A company has an economic interest and directly makes more profit by denying my claim.
I know, you are thinking that company will not stay in business for the long term with this kind of thinking. That may be the case but CEOs these days are not looking at long term viability. They are looking at getting their money now and denying claims gets them money now.
Honestly, I am not crazy about either method. I am just really averse to the idea of someone making more profit by killing me.
Do you think the government won't deny claims because they don't have the budget to pay them? The government is driven by its economic interests as well.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 11:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If people had to actual pay for going to the doctor when they have a cold, and had to fork over $400 for a 2 minute visit just to get a shot or some medicine, they'd suck it up and just go get some Mucinex instead.
I don't think the people with insurance and copays are the ones driving up healthcare costs. It's the people on Medicaid that do this, because they don't have to pay anything. There is no accountability for incurring a huge hospital bill, because if you don't have credit to begin with, your credit can't be ruined.
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