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re: Medicare will become insolvent in 2026 — three years earlier than previously forecast
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:26 pm to Harry Caray
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:26 pm to Harry Caray
Old people take forever too
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:27 pm to lsunurse
quote:Are you supposed to be proving a point that neither of the two countries with >= USA's population have universal health care?
Please show me an example of another country with the same population as us that has successful universal healthcare.
ETA: Canada’s population is about the same as the entire population of the state of California
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:27 pm to Harry Caray
I fold.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:37 pm to RLDSC FAN
So I guess I won’t get all my social security money back when I retire in 30 years. Can’t wait for Congress to take the limit off and tax me on social security all year 
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:40 pm to Lsupimp
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State bureaucrats decide who lives and dies.
I know the OT discussed the Alfie Evans matter, but if someone hasn't dug into they should. Parents wanted to take their ill kid to another, qualified EU hospital at no cost to the UK government, but the UK doctors overruled the parents desires based upon their own calculation of the potential for success in the other hospital.
Imagine being told by government that they won't let you take your child to seek free, experimental care in another accredited hospital. Instead, you must accept the slow inevitable death of your child.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:46 pm to Lsupimp
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and that lets State bureaucrats decide who lives and dies.
Yeah, I want private bureaucrats deciding if I live or die. That would be much better.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:47 pm to RLDSC FAN
Is this really a concern for anyone? I stopped caring about Medicare pretty much the first day I entered the work force. Anybody under the age of 60 should have done the same at least 15 years ago.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
Dissolve Medicaid, give proceeds to Medicare.... Fixed
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:58 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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Is this really a concern for anyone?
Some of us have aging family members on very limited incomes.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:59 pm to chryso
That you believe that the US Government, with all of its built- in inefficiencies, with its incredible layers of bureaucracy, all those idiots at all those desks, would provide a superior healthcare system then one based on economic efficiencies and market forces is pure magical thinking. Not that any catastrophic failure would ever deter a single Progressive with a slogan and somebody else’s money. In fact, the more it failed, the more likely Progressives would champion it.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:00 pm to RLDSC FAN
I will bet you real money your quoted source is wrong.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:03 pm to Lsupimp
quote:They don't think in terms of national benefit. They think in terms of personal gain.
That you believe that the US Government, with all of its built- in inefficiencies, with its incredible layers of bureaucracy, all those idiots at all those desks, would provide a superior healthcare system then one based on economic efficiencies and market forces is pure magical thinking. Not that any catastrophic failure would ever deter a single Progressive with a slogan and somebody else’s money. In fact, the more it failed, the more likely Progressives would champion it.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:08 pm to Lsupimp
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I see your Progressive Article of Faith and I raise you six unicorns and three tons of fairy dust.
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functioning universal health care
I understand your skepticism, but we as tax payers pay 2x as much per person in the US for equal health care outcomes as are seen in Germany, France, and the UK. We could cut a lot of our healthcare costs if we were better at end of life care (not spending 1/3 of healthcare dollars in the last 3 months of life), had a uniform insurance system (and didn't have administrative costs totaling 1/3 of healthcare spending), and had some decent tort reform.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:08 pm to Lsupimp
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that doesn’t incentivize medical research or pharmaceutical investment
I'll give you this, we basically fund medical research and development for the entire world.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:09 pm to Restomod
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Dissolve Medicaid, give proceeds to Medicare.... Fixed
It's elementary to think it's that simple. If Medicaid is a mental picture of freeloading people to you, naturally dissolution is the answer. The reality is millions upon millions could not survive without it (SSI Disability) due to never being able to work 40 quarters at all. This also extends to under 65 with historically low income and forced into retirement due to chronic illness, injury or other.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:11 pm to Ba Ba Boooey
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So I guess I won’t get all my social security money back when I retire in 30 years. Can’t wait for Congress to take the limit off and tax me on social security all year
Subtle.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:12 pm to RLDSC FAN
The republican/boomer war on terror has cost us 3 trillion to date. We should consider stop funding their causes and actually help Americans. We of course borrowed that money and will probably be closer to 10 trillion when we pay it off. Buy hey, frick paying a few billion on healthcare, education, and infrastructure.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:12 pm to cwil177
Administrative overhead is double that of Medicare at the for profit companies.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:15 pm to AUCE05
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Buy hey, frick paying a few billion on healthcare, education, and infrastructure.
Bernie's plan of Medicare for all was going to cost 6 trillion over 10 years Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:17 pm to cwil177
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We could cut a lot of our healthcare costs if we were better at end of life care (not spending 1/3 of healthcare dollars in the last 3 months of life), had a uniform insurance system (and didn't have administrative costs totaling 1/3 of healthcare spending), and had some decent tort reform.
These are good suggestions, with potential for success and rooted in reality.
"A functioning Universal Healthcare System" isn't. Not economically realistic, not logistically realistic, and not politically realistic. A unicorn...as Pimp said.
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