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Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:31 am to
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16766 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:31 am to
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All of this is tripping me up as well. If she was involved then the only explanation I can think of is that there was nothing voluntary about her flight home. That might also explain the very spotty reporting about her whereabouts in the last 36 hours. But who knows. If she was involved then it seems she had no plan. Maybe there was a larger plan that was foiled and that’s why her actions make little sense.


Why do you expect human behavior and criminal activity to make sense? Too much tv?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91846 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:38 am to
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It depends on how much time they actually spent together. A 60+ couple doesn't necessarily act like a 20-something couple


Yeah this is a good point. My great aunt tried to date after her husband passed away, and it was eye opening. These older folks are super sketchy considering they've lived an entire life before meeting one another.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23275 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:41 am to
Thats wild, dude must have been in shock himself.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:43 am to
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It is still being determined which firearms were used in the shooting. All guns have been traced.

That's it from ATF.


Que? I thought there wasn't a database.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:51 am to
Police bodycam footage has started being released. I don't know if it has been posted in this thread yet, but it is on YouTube.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 6:54 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91846 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:53 am to
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Que? I thought there wasn't a database.



I'm not sure what she meant by it.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23275 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:53 am to
I have some body cam footage but it was sent to me on messenger, Can't really see anything just lots of gunfire and cops directing people to safety.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91846 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:54 am to
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Police bodycam footage has started being released. I don't know if it has been posted in this thread yet, but it is on YouTube.


Why don't you link that for us if you don't mind.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:56 am to
LiveLeak

It isn't anything groundbreaking or shocking, just a 3 minute video of various officers.

Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:58 am to
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Has anyone heard any more about why and what they knew about him before the massacre? What that just rumor and not true at all?

Since it is a belief among the psychology community that psychopathic genes can be heriditary, and since his dad was at one time on the FBI most wanted list, I would suppose it would be credible to believe that the FBI would also keep tabs on where his children are.

I honestly believe that his dad being who he was did have a profound impact on ultimately who this guy ended up being. Maybe he always had this sick thought of "out shining" his father, maybe there really is a "murder gene" passed down (Read the excellent fictional novel Defending Jacob that dives into this).
Obviously, this guy harbored some wild thoughts for years and finally decided to act upon them. Perhaps he was informed of having a terminal disease, like cancer, and decided to go out with a bang (poor choice of words).

The only, and I mean only, reason that I wished he was alive now is that he could be interviewed and evaluated further, so we as society could have learned something from this hideous monster.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91846 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:59 am to
Thanks. Pretty sure it's what they showed at the presser, but it's nice to get it isolated in a separate video.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:01 am to
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Thanks. Pretty sure it's what they showed at the presser, but it's nice to get it isolated in a separate video.


I'd imagine in the months ahead, we'll see more complete footage released.

It always interests me to see how police respond in this situation. When I listened to the police scanner, a supervisor finally had to get on the air and tell his officers to calm down.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62804 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:11 am to
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I honestly believe that his dad being who he was did have a profound impact on ultimately who this guy ended up being.


I agree, but a I think it's more self-fulfilling prophesy than genetic.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
91781 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:15 am to
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Shortly after the name was leaked, it was said that the Feds knew who this guy was beforehand,
About this, sorta..

Was it weird to anyone else how fast we knew knew him and Marilou's name? Especially considering how little we knew about them 24 hours later? I mean, that shite was quick.
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31603 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:17 am to
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Wonder how they lured her back. Must have scared the shite out of her




They said, "we are going to chase and harass every family kember youve ever had until you return. They will never live a happy normal life"
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:18 am to
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I agree, but a I think it's more self-fulfilling prophesy than genetic.

While possible, I think our knowledge of genetics is still in its infancy and thus I am not so quick to write off the possibility of his dad passing down bad genes.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
168612 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:20 am to
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Shortly after the name was leaked, it was said that the Feds knew who this guy was beforehand,
I believe it was said he was known by local police and officials. It was also said the bonehead douchebag tried to sue one of the hotels there because he slipped on something spilt.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25930 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:20 am to
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I'm not sure what she meant by it.


I would guess serial numbers to see at which stores they were purchased and to confirm their legality (no filed off serial numbers; no stolen weapons; no true fully automatic weapons).
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
23455 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:20 am to
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I'm not sure what she meant by it.




Serial number traced back to original purchase
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91846 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 7:21 am to
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I agree, but a I think it's more self-fulfilling prophesy than genetic


Are you saying it's more nurture (or lack thereof) vs nature?
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