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re: Mass shooting at Atlanta area high school

Posted on 9/5/24 at 6:57 am to
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 6:57 am to
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I don’t know the weapon used but if you’re basing that on the pictures of the shooter in a hoodie that are going around X, then that is fake.

That picture is from an active shooter training cours.
basing it off of the number of rounds fired and the number of people hit.

edit and I was wrong
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 8:14 am
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:03 am to
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Western Europe for instance isn’t dealing with insane amounts of shootings like the US is



And surprise surprise hunting and shooting sports are EXTREMELY popular in Western Europe. There is also a shortage of folks breaking into people's homes who need to shoot the intruder or people having to shoot criminals on the streets. It really is a miracle....

What is missing? Irrational fear. Western Europeans do not have an industry telling them daily that their lives are endangered every minute of every day. They have politicians who do it but they are, for the most part, seen for the hucksters that they are. They are not one of two major parties. It is entirely possible in Germany, the same as the US, to go to McDonalds without a gun strapped to yourself and the only actual danger you face is eating at McDonalds.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:07 am to
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Western Europeans do not have an industry telling them daily that their lives are endangered every minute of every day.


Europe went insane over Covid, their media is just as bad as ours.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:13 am to
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The idea that major voices on gun control want total confiscation is pure propaganda



Guns are for democrats what abortion has been for republicans...a MAJOR source of campaign funding. Unlike the GOP Democrats are fully aware of this. The DNC is not on the verge of being the car chasing dog that actually catches the dog. In fact the DNC is fully aware of what catching the car has meant for the GOP.

Anyone who can not read between the lines of the tripe the firearm industry and their minions pen is dumber than a sack of hammers or willfully ignorant. They do not try to camo their words, they are fully visible. Go to a gun show. Its as obvious as the nose on your face. No one is interested in you guns but you. You suffer from irrational fears if you think you could not survive without your gun.

I have a house full of guns. I enjoy hunting and shooting. I have guns in my house that I bought for protection. I fully understand that having those guns for that reason is silly. My house is about as secure with a gun or without as it is possible to be. The idea of someone entering my home while I am there and me shooting them is so remote it is insignificant. This is true for the vast majority of people in the US. The numbers are well established and available. Arguing otherwise is based on irrational fears and nothing else.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:25 am to
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The fallacy that regulations curtail behavior, especially illegal behavior is so ridiculously flawed that all I can do is roll my eyes



Arguing with a stop sign.

Stop signs, for the most part, are an example of a regulation that curtails behavior. Even illegal behavior. In the absence of a stop sign folks do not stop. Toss one out and lo and behold the vast majority do indeed stop. Many of those who stop would not if it weren't illegal to not stop. Some will continue to not stop....but the vast majority of drivers who approach the sign will indeed stop. It is not a fallacy.

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Where Individual Liberty thrives, so do the excesses of Liberty, including violence. You should decide if you want Liberty or security and if necessary, move to enjoy the superior security police states offer


There is not nearly as much violence in most of the world as there is in the US and people in many parts of the world enjoy equal amounts of liberty as we do in the US. What you are saying is the silly idea of Ben Franklin...a man attributed with many silly ideas.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety".

Good god almighty that has to be one of the dumbest thoughts ever voiced by a human being. Were this idea relevant it would mean a homeowner who had a lock on their front door deserved neither liberty nor safety. It would mean that an electrician who locked out a circuit before working on it deserved neither liberty or safety. It is an idiotic concept at best, damned dangerous at worse.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:34 am to
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Problem is making certain types of guns illegal won't make them go away. T


This is how you can tell how serious anyone is about banning guns. There is no difference in the mechanics of a AR and any other semi auto weapon. They look different, they all function pretty much the same way. A ban on ARs is a ban on scary looking guns, not an exact replica of the gun that looks like what one who is not well versed in guns would expect a gun to look like. Calling for a ban on ARs is a play on feelings and emotions because it drives cash into the coffers of democratic candidates. It is not based on mechanics or facts, a semi auto pistol with a bunch of clips would be as effective, and would be easier to carry into a facility without being seen.


There does seem to be a preference for ARs in "mass" shootings....those where some nut goes in and randomely shoots a place up. I would posit this is because an AR looks like a weapon meant to kill. Mechanically it is not different than many more traditional looking weapons. The menacing look of an AR is appealing to a nut who wants to strike fear in people....it makes the nut feel more threatening, to the nut and their victims. Banning ARs would merely mean that the nuts would use a handgun or another rifle instead.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:35 am to
Is there very little personal info being released by the MSM because the kid was 14?
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:39 am to
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Hand guns by far kill more Americans than any other type of gun. But all your hear about are AR15's. That's how I know the left is insincere about their intentions.

Without guns, there will be more stabbing deaths...vehicles running over people, pressure cooker bombings, etc.

People bent on killing others will find a way.

So I think we have deeper issues to address. Mental health is not being treated correctly in this country.


The left is FULLY sincere in their intentions when it comes to guns. Stoke fear and raise cash. They are no different than firearms manufacturers and their lobbyists in this. It is a cash cow for everyone. No one is going to slaughter a cash cow.

Mental health and our view of mental health is the problem. The view is slowly changing. People are more likely to view mental illness in the same light as physical illness today than we were years ago. There is no difference, mental illness is a physical illness the same as cancer of kidney problems. As this evolves we will improve treatment for the physical ailment of mental illness. We seriously need to speed up the process.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 7:53 am
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:46 am to
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Lets help with metal health instead of celebrating mentally ill people as heroes


Who in the hell is celebrating mentally ill people as heroes? The vast majority of homeless people in this country suffer from mental illness...we treat them like vermin.

Of course everyone knows you are talking about trans people and them seeking treatment. Given the amount of vitriol and hate directed toward someone suffering from such mental illness that person coming forward and asking for help SHOULD be celebrated, every bit as much as a drug addict coming forward and asking for help with an illness they are unable to deal with alone. Recognizing someone who has sought assistance with a debilitating condition is not celebrating that person as a hero...it is simply acting like a decent human being.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 7:54 am
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:47 am to
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Truancy never got much attention???


Uuuhhh... the fact that he was questioned about post made about shooting up a school should be more alarming to you.....
Posted by lepdagod
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:47 am to
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I fully understand that having those guns for that reason is silly. My house is about as secure with a gun or without as it is possible to be. The idea of someone entering my home while I am there and me shooting them is so remote it is insignificant. This is true for the vast majority of people in the US. The numbers are well established and available. Arguing otherwise is based on irrational fears and nothing else.


Exactly... people aware of this... most these people haven't ever been a heated argument as adults with another adult...but think their home needs to be a mini armory for protection
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:49 am to
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."



Were this idiotic and silly notion remotely accurate placing a lock on your front door would mean you deserved neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin was a verbose drunk.....
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:50 am to
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Who is "We?" I;m well armed. I've done something about it


I am sure the people at Appalachee High School will be sending you their thank you cards....
Posted by Dog Tree
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:50 am to
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Is there very little personal info being released by the MSM because the kid was 14?

I do not think it is because of his age. The pictures of the 4 people he killed have been posted on news sites with 2 victims being his classmates.

MSM is probably trying to hide something.
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 7:52 am
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:51 am to
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Who in the hell is celebrating mentally ill people as heroes?
Really?



Not to freaking mention we had a transgender celebration at the actual white house

This country has convinced itself wanting to cut your dick off is not mental health. It’s convinced itself wanting to dress like the opposite sex and parade around is not mental health

It’s wild
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 7:53 am
Posted by oleheat
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:51 am to
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Who in the hell is celebrating mentally ill people as heroes?


Yeah- who could be doing such a thing??

"Guess Who"

Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:55 am to
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Yep.

Mental illness and the ambivalence towards it is the true epidemic in this country.



Its worse than ambivalence, it is outright contempt. We despise the mentally ill in this country, accusing them of being weak and disgusting. Ambivalence would be a major step forward. We are more or less ambivalent as far as most illness goes....most are viewed as bad luck or simply being human. A common cold, for example. Mental illness would be far better served if we were as ambivalent toward it as we are a common cold...instead we shame the ill, accuse them of choosing to be ill (cancer is often a result of choices made) and make every attempt to convince the ill to hide their illness and deal with it on their own.
Posted by Dawgfanman
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:56 am to
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Exactly... people aware of this... most these people haven't ever been a heated argument as adults with another adult...but think their home needs to be a mini armory for protection


4800 burglaries occur per day in the US. Of those 27% occur when someone is home.

Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:57 am to
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Yeah that's definitely meth


stranded on an island, wyhi?
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 9/5/24 at 7:58 am to
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The US has among the lowest amount of psychiatric beds available of anywhere in the western world.

We have to drastically change how we handle mental illness in this country.


We won't, we have chosen to normalize and even celebrate it now. It's only going to get worse.



We normalize cancer and celebrate those who confront it, those who treat it, those who have it and overcome it. We do just the opposite with mental illness....we hold the afflicted in contempt and treat them like second rate citizens and even non-human. I know y'all would prefer trans people simply remain hidden, its a wonder why you do not think cancer patients should do the same? It may be that you do not want cancer....just saying....
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