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re: Man killed in SPD officer-involved shooting was not armed
Posted on 2/16/23 at 2:43 pm to REB BEER
Posted on 2/16/23 at 2:43 pm to REB BEER
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I get what you're saying, but what if returns and kills someone? The police would look as bad as they do in this horrible situation.
It would be sad if he returned and killed, but every person has the right to protect themselves. Why do the cops have to risk their lives or prison for people who want to see them dead?
They are in a no win situation, and it's not going to change until the community handles it.
This post was edited on 2/16/23 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 2/16/23 at 2:59 pm to REB BEER
I’d imagine she’s put up with that drunken/high behavior many times and fed up with it, but he was the calm one when he opened the door. I’d like to know how many times the cops have been called on him.
As far as the shoot, if multiple cops can’t handle a unarmed drunk, without shooting him, they don’t need to be cops. It’s murder plain and simple. Because if I had or you had shot him, we would’ve gotten Murder charges. Can’t have double standards. Cops can’t be scared shitless when they go on a call and effectively do their jobs. LE training sucks
As far as the shoot, if multiple cops can’t handle a unarmed drunk, without shooting him, they don’t need to be cops. It’s murder plain and simple. Because if I had or you had shot him, we would’ve gotten Murder charges. Can’t have double standards. Cops can’t be scared shitless when they go on a call and effectively do their jobs. LE training sucks
Posted on 2/16/23 at 3:05 pm to This GUN for HIRE
Same post as I put on PT...
That body cam video was exactly how it was described to me a few days ago.
Bagley was posted up around that corner trying to be slick and Tyler ran right into him. They were face to face instantly.
Really tough call and super quick decision, but not malicious at all.
That body cam video was exactly how it was described to me a few days ago.
Bagley was posted up around that corner trying to be slick and Tyler ran right into him. They were face to face instantly.
Really tough call and super quick decision, but not malicious at all.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 3:44 pm to Clyde Tipton
Any word on why he jumped off a second story balcony and hauled as s like a track star?
For some reason we hardly ever hear an explanation as to why perps confronted with minor offences by officers flee and some are willing to even die to try to not get arrested.
For some reason we hardly ever hear an explanation as to why perps confronted with minor offences by officers flee and some are willing to even die to try to not get arrested.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 4:04 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Really tough call and super quick decision, but not malicious at all.
That’s why the negligent homicide is an appropriate call here. Cop acted with criminal negligence firing a round, but didn’t seem to have the intent to shoot him needed for a higher charge.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 4:18 pm to lionward2014
The perp went into a room and closed the door behind him and had a chance to have gotten a weapon without the cop seeing him do that before escaping.
It even looked like he may have reached for something on that dresser before going to the balcony.
The cop was aware of that and had it in his mind that there was a high probability that he was armed it looks like.
It even looked like he may have reached for something on that dresser before going to the balcony.
The cop was aware of that and had it in his mind that there was a high probability that he was armed it looks like.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 4:27 pm to jbgleason
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officers just run up to armed perps and allow themselves to be shot first
But he wasn’t armed..
Posted on 2/16/23 at 5:17 pm to inspectweld
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The cop was aware of that and had it in his mind that there was a high probability that he was armed it looks like.
Then why did he only shoot once and immediately react in a way that shows he knew he had screwed up and not that he was fearful?
Posted on 2/16/23 at 5:42 pm to lionward2014
Like every other one of these if he had complied he would be alive
Posted on 2/16/23 at 5:49 pm to SPEEDY
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Shreveport will burn
Might be an improvement
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:04 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Bagley is black; the officer involved is white.
Oh shite............here we go again
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:08 pm to lionward2014
It was dark and the man came towards him and his weapon that was drawn at close range.
His reaction was probably that the last thing an officer wants to do is shoot someone no matter right or wrong.
His reaction was probably that the last thing an officer wants to do is shoot someone no matter right or wrong.
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:23 pm to Clyde Tipton
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The encounter was captured on body cam video. It also recorded Tyler crying afterwards, pleading with Bagley to live, sources said.
Without seeing the video yet. This can be seen either of 2 ways.
1. The cop knows he fricked up, and he knows he might have to spend the rest of his life in prison.
2. The cop is a normal person, having regret over having to pull a trigger and doesn't want to live with the fact that he had to kill someone
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:24 pm to This GUN for HIRE
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As far as the shoot, if multiple cops can’t handle a unarmed drunk, without shooting him, they don’t need to be cops. It’s murder plain and simple. Because if I had or you had shot him, we would’ve gotten Murder charges.
I somewhat agree with your premise, but you and I aren't put in these situations regularly for our career. It's not our job to respond to these calls and protect the innocent, so by definition a police officer will be put in this position a million times more than any layman would. (It should be noted that I'm in law enforcement and I'm only making this statement as a "regular citizen" here)
They should be held to a higher standard due to the authority and power they hold, but they also should be allowed the same leeway in true mistakes that they clearly regret and did not intend. You and I might be put in a situation where deadly force is on the table once in our lifetimes, as average citizens. These guys do it every day, usually multiple times a day.
The officer was clearly instantly remorseful and has probably been harder on himself than any outside source at this point. I'm not saying that this absolves him of any wrongdoing, but at some point you have to look at the training and positions these guys are put in regularly instead of the individual. He clearly did not WANT to end the perp's life and I'm sure he would take it back a million times over now, but this was a mistake that could've happened to any individual in his heightened awareness and reactive position - police or not.
As a federal law enforcement officer myself, this one gives me mixed emotions and feelings. It was obviously a bad shoot, but at the same time I feel like it could've been a mistake a lot of us could make in his shoes, in that situation.
Alonzo's life is over, done; and that alone is a big deal to end someone's existence whether they're guilty of heinous crimes against humanity or just drunk and high being stupid. That alone carries some weight and should be punished in some way due to the fact that he wasn't a legitimate threat to the officer's life. But we also only know this through hindsight and weren't there, in the officer's shoes, when the perp he knew to be "threatening his wife and child" took off from a second story balcony and was suddenly surprised by him popping around a corner.
I really don't know how to feel about this one
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:25 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Bagley said he needed to put his dogs up, but instead went into a bedroom then through a balcony door and jumped to the ground from the second-floor apartment.
Well, that wasn't smart
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:48 pm to lsusteve1
If an officer has his weapon drawn and a perp moves toward the officer and his drawn weapon and is at a close range, what is the officer supposed to do. Wait for the perp to grab his gun and attack him or fire the weapon before the gun can possibly be taken from him?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 9:56 am to lionward2014
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That’s why the negligent homicide is an appropriate call here. Cop acted with criminal negligence firing a round, but didn’t seem to have the intent to shoot him needed for a higher charge.
We’ll have to wait and see what the useless Caddo DA does. This likely heads to a grand jury. Conventional wisdom says GJ agrees with lesser charge or even a no true bill, but I have serious doubt as to either of those outcomes.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:35 pm to lachellie
It looks like the defense has a good case for an acquittal.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 1:41 pm to SPEEDY
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Shreveport will burn
The people with a mind to burn would do well to stay out of Bossier. BCPD & BPSO do not play that shite.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 2:09 pm to grizzlylongcut
When you see rental truck loads of rioting gear and out of town professional agitators showing up, it`s guaranteed you’re going to have trouble.
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