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re: Major Severe Weather Outbreak: March 14-16, 2025

Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:59 pm to
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watched a lot of his coverage yesterday and he did his usual excellent job. He amazes me with his knowledge of AL geography and places around the state.

I live in Atlanta and end up watching him. He's ridiculously good.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:00 pm to
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Interpreting radar images is a perfect example of a task where AI will outperform humans

Yikes
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:03 pm to

The I-30 corridor in central Arkansas (Benton, Bryant, Bauxite, Alexander) seems to be what steers any tornadic cells coming through there throughout history. They usually come right up the corridor or parallel with it within a couple miles, and that's where any cell that's going to be tornadic seems to intensify and kick off.

Lots of local Mets and others interested in the science think it's topography related, as that area of the corridor is extremely flat and the interstate construction itself opened up a perfect SW to NE "funnel" with no obstructions. This is where both tornadoes that ultimately hit Vilonia and left a path of destruction started to intensify. Same with the tornado on March 31st two years ago that went through LR and NLR proper.

If you look at the maps of all recorded tornadoes throughout history you can definitely see trends of clumped together lines running NE in certain areas in all states. There's also big gaps in some areas with little to no recorded tornadoes. I'd be really interested to see the results of an extensive study on this phenomenon
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:09 pm to
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There are certain areas where I live that are more susceptible to tornados. I’m sure everyone has heard of tornado alleys and I believe that.

The tornado system will develop just north of city A, travel just south of city B then proceed to hammer city C. I’ve seen this too many times for it not to be a pattern.

Right.
IMHO the land can guide the weather.
Maybe certain creeks and rivers have colder or warmer water that is more or less conducive for storms, because of the effect in the immediate atmosphere.
Maybe it's the hills? I don't know.
I just know the same places keep getting hit, while a couple miles over, it never happens.
Posted by grsharky
Member since Dec 2019
301 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:10 pm to
Tornado warnings in our area of western PA, not so fun.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:10 pm to
We saw this in real time yesterday.

3 tornados on almost the exact same track through MS was crazy.
Posted by CuseTiger
Member since Jul 2013
9069 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:21 pm to
Lots of delays building this afternoon, getting pretty windy here in FL and now the northeast is having visibility issues so JFK, LGA, and EWR all with ground delays. Just had a fire watch pop up in FL as well. That line of storms is moving closer to Orlando, another ground stop until 3:30pm now FAA. 21 planes and counting in line to take off at Orlando currently, only 2 flights to miami and one to san juan have taken off in the last half hour

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Orlando MCO Ground Stop

16/2:00 PM EDT—16/3:30 PM EDT

Departures to Orlando International are grounded due to thunderstorms.

Probability of extension is high (greater than 60%).

Grounding applies to departures from ZTL ZDC ZHU ZJX ZMA ZME ZID ZFW


Anything trying to fly to Florida is getting delayed on average 164 minutes/nearly 3 hours

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FCAJX3
Airspace Flow Program

16/9:00 AM EDT—16/6:59 PM EDT


Flights crossing the Flow Constrained Area (FCA) will be delayed an avg. 164 mins. or routed around due to thunderstorms. FCA applies to southbound departures.

Altitude Floor/Ceiling: 180/600
This post was edited on 3/16/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51690 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:44 pm to
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:51 pm to
It’s crazy to me how an ef2 with 110mph does that shite, but a cat 4 hurricane with 140mph winds and the damage is like “dang I lost my roof”
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31570 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:55 pm to
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It’s crazy to me how an ef2 with 110mph does that shite, but a cat 4 hurricane with 140mph winds and the damage is like “dang I lost my roof”

It's all about the twist and the lift.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33489 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by cubsfinger
On The Road
Member since Mar 2017
1882 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 2:32 pm to
Ha nice. I figured somebody would get it. I have family in SOSO and its such a blip on the radar.
Posted by sledgehammer
SWLA
Member since Oct 2020
7162 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 2:59 pm to
That was close for that family. I bet they were puckered up looking out that window.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6805 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 3:11 pm to
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Interpreting radar images is a perfect example of a task where AI will outperform humans.

Intriguing concept that doesn't work with the NWS NEXRAD systems.

Designed in the 1980's, deployed 1990's, single-beam array scanning, stepped at discrete elevations, creating a 3D volumetric image of certain atmospheric observables. Been a few decades since my e.e. days with microwave systems, had to briefly read up on NEXRAD.

Has improved electronics and synthetically derived products from differing signal signatures that enhance interpretative fidelity.

NEXRAD suffers from the usual confounding variables inherent in all 3ghz single beam imaging systems: absorption coefficient ambiguity, signal-to-noise floor limitations, latency (a biggie) to name just a few. Pretty good for what it is, not state-of-the-art.

See an Aegis Class missile cruiser phased-array weapons radar for an example of what's possible, a technology direction I believe NWS is working towards.

The physics of RF propagation are fixed: a higher frequency equals greater resolution yet shorter range, with the inverse being true. How many CONUS radar sites are needed? Don't know.

My point, to be clear, is even A.I. needs coherent data to quickly resolve high fidelity images. Interpreting a "blob" of a radar return doesn't work. In the signal-to-noise paradigm, incoherent noise.

Can we extract usable microwave radar data from "noise?"

Yes, but not with present NEXRAD technology; the solution, phased array, spread-spectrum systems, is complex and expensive, assuming wide scale deployment.

TLDR: Not Yet
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6805 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 3:26 pm to
I am grateful my little parcel of the Northshore was unaffected, have read most every word and viewed most every graph of this, another outstanding severe weather thread made possible by many good and wise contributors.

To the whiners unaffected, it is beyond my comprehension how you equate a bit of inconvenience to those who have lost it all, whether property or life.

Legend, RTR, Bobby and Boat, and others weighing in even to say your location is ok, my heartfelt thanks.

God Speed & Good Luck

Breeze
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51690 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 3:33 pm to
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Legend, RTR, Bobby and Boat, and others weighing in even to say your location is ok, my heartfelt thanks.

Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75101 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 3:48 pm to
Posted by WhuckFistle
Member since Jul 2015
3403 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 3:54 pm to
Not sure if it’s been posted or not, but the tornado NW of Diaz in Arkansas has been rated an EF4. Estimated wind speeds of 190mph


Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75101 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 4:02 pm to
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This may be the strongest tornado rating since Mayfield, which received the same wind speed rating.
This post was edited on 3/16/25 at 4:10 pm
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
31995 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 4:10 pm to
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