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re: Madison Brooks Rape Trial- Its been over 2 years
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:21 am to notbilly
Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:21 am to notbilly
quote:Are you trying to compare being drunk enough to cause an accident and being too drunk to have sex? Because if the threshold is 0.08 BAC to have sex without it being rape, then nearly everyone here has both been raped and raped someone else.
If she had gotten in her car that night and drove herself home causing an accident, she'd be prosecuted for deciding to drive drunk and injuring/killing someone. Instead, she willingly had sex but those guys are prosecuted b/c she can't be held responsible for the decisions she made while drunk.
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 11:50 am to jizzle6609
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Passed out is too drunk.
I saw the video of her running to catch up with the guys she was riding with as she was leaving the bar … she certainly didn’t appear too drunk .
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:52 pm to Heyes
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I saw the video of her running to catch up with the guys she was riding with as she was leaving the bar … she certainly didn’t appear too drunk .
In my hard partying days of youth I could go from being able to drive a stick shift and carry on a conversation to literally black out drunk, to eating at a waffle house , then passing out in the booth in about an hour.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:54 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:yep
In my hard partying days of youth I could go from being able to drive a stick shift and carry on a conversation to literally black out drunk, to eating at a waffle house , then passing out in the booth in about an hour.
when you're drunk enough you can easily go from running across the tigerland parking lot to basically comatose in a short amount of time
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:57 pm to HeadCall
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How come it’s okay to call these guys rapists and POS and drag their names through the mud even though haven’t been convicted of anything but no one can say a bad word about Madison?
Plenty bad has and can be said about Madison Brooks. She made some unwise and irresponsible decisions. The defense supposedly has an anonymous witness saying he had sex with her the night before. To my knowledge, nothing else has been alleged about her. Yet, that one previous anonymous witness' testimony has morphed into her being a deemed a slut and a whore.
Regarding the suspects, can you identify any thing they did that can regarded as honorable and noble as it relates to her?
- Casen Carver made a statement "they finna rape her." Unless he was completely unaware of Kaivon Washington's past actions, he knowingly took a rabid dog to a children's park.
- She followed them ostensibly to get a ride home. They knew full well she was drunk. She was unable to give them her address or directions before or after she was raped.
- She was let out of Carver's vehicle at 2AM in freezing weather in a strange setting. So who does that? They could've called 911 or an uber. They could've taken her to the police precinct or a convenience store. But those are things honorable people do. Why couldn't they have done them?
- I think referring to them in a dreogatory manner is fully warranted.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 12:58 pm to AlwysATgr
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- She followed them ostensibly to get a ride home.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:02 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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I don’t think she’d have even made it out the parking lot in that state. I see what you’re arguing but there are levels to it.
I've seen many people drive themselves home when they were stumbling like she was.
I know someone who was convicted (rightfully so IMO) b/c they were the same level drunk as Madison Brooks was when they caused an accident that resulted in a death. Many posters here are arguing as if you can't be held responsible for your actions when you are drunk (i.e. she was too drunk to consent).
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:05 pm to notbilly
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If she had gotten in her car that night and drove herself home causing an accident, she'd be prosecuted for deciding to drive drunk and injuring/killing someone. Instead, she willingly had sex but those guys are prosecuted b/c she can't be held responsible for the decisions she made while drunk.
Does anyone want to rationalize that for me?
There are males and there are females. There are adults and there are children. When the stronger takes advantage of the weaker, even if the weaker is in a state of drunken stupor, they does not excuse the actions of the stronger.
Had Brooks left the bar drunk, found an underage child, and abused the child, she could not argue her actions were excusable because of her level of intoxication.
An impaired individual can commit crimes, but can also be the victim of crimes.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:06 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:She asked for a ride home before? She tried to give them an address before they went down the block to have sex? Is that new information? Where’s the part where she calls the driver a fig for not joining?
She followed them ostensibly to get a ride home. They knew full well she was drunk. She was unable to give them her address or directions before or after she was raped.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:13 pm to ell_13
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She tried to give them an address before they went down the block to have sex? Is that new information? Where’s the part where she calls the driver a fig for not joining?
Are you asking for a timeline of events? Is what new information?
Regarding the last question, that happened after Washington and Carter.. And that's gonna leave the defense in a pickle.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:15 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:From the defense, and something that hasn’t been disputed, is that once they couldn’t figure out where she wanted to go, she got pissed and asked to be let out. They let her out in a neighborhood. Had they held her against her will, would they be facing kidnapping charges as well?
She was let out of Carver's vehicle at 2AM in freezing weather in a strange setting. So who does that? They could've called 911 or an uber. They could've taken her to the police precinct or a convenience store. But those are things honorable people do. Why couldn't they have done them?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:20 pm to ell_13
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she got pissed and asked to be let out.
everyone in that equation is/was a scuzzy human but I can remember being that young and someone does something that dramatic, i.e. "let me out, right now!" on the basin bridge at two am for example, I would call their bluff, there you go, have a nice walk
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:28 pm to 777Tiger
Based on the (I think pretty verified testimony) that she called one of the people a fig for not wanting to frick her...
She sounds like the kind of woman who would be a snotty bratty pain in the arse drunk
"I live right here!"
"This is an abandoned lot, you don't live here, what's your address?"
"Uh you guys are so fricking blind, you don't know me, of course I live here, let me out!"
I'm not arguing who is right and who is wrong, I am arguing that I have seen instances where drunk people are behaving in such a manner that could lead to them standing alone on a busy street in the middle of the night
She sounds like the kind of woman who would be a snotty bratty pain in the arse drunk
"I live right here!"
"This is an abandoned lot, you don't live here, what's your address?"
"Uh you guys are so fricking blind, you don't know me, of course I live here, let me out!"
I'm not arguing who is right and who is wrong, I am arguing that I have seen instances where drunk people are behaving in such a manner that could lead to them standing alone on a busy street in the middle of the night
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:28 pm to ell_13
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Are you trying to compare being drunk enough to cause an accident and being too drunk to have sex?
If we are talking about the same BAC, then yes. In one scenario you are the victim and in the other scenario, you are considered the defendant.
About 10 years ago there was a case that made the news here where a young woman killed someone in a car accident. Her BAC content was around 3.0 which is the same as Brooks'. The driver was found guilty and no one argued over whether or not she should be held responsible for her decisions.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:29 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Asking for a ride home before any sex or not knowing her address before the sex. We know that?
Are you asking for a timeline of events? Is what new information?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:30 pm to Delacroix22
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I have seen instances where drunk people are behaving in such a manner that could lead to them standing alone on a busy street in the middle of the night
absolutely, been on both ends, and I have been that particular drunk
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:31 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Yea running the train on some drunk chick in the backseat of a car you're all hanging out in is disgusting any way you cut it. And laughing about it. These guys deserve to be in jail and need to reconsider their life choices.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:32 pm to notbilly
quote:Exactly. So your argument is that Brooks is responsible for being in that situation and possibly even being the aggressor if not a willing participant?
About 10 years ago there was a case that made the news here where a young woman killed someone in a car accident. Her BAC content was around 3.0 which is the same as Brooks'. The driver was found guilty and no one argued over whether or not she should be held responsible for her decisions.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:33 pm to theliontamer
Having sex with a drunk person, by itself, doesn’t and shouldn’t result in jail time.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 1:34 pm to ThuperThumpin
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In my hard partying days of youth I could go from being able to drive a stick shift and carry on a conversation to literally black out drunk, to eating at a waffle house , then passing out in the booth in about an hour.
It's them damn waffles... They'll put a sober man to sleep!!!
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