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re: Louisiana supreme court claims priests do not have to report child abuse
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:27 am to notbilly
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:27 am to notbilly
quote:How do YOU KNOW what was said therein? He won't violate the seal of confession for the courts, but YOU KNOW? Give me a break.
Her parents were the ones that notified the cops once they found out what was going on. The priest met with the victim three times in a confession and never once gave her any helpful advice. While she didn't think she was 'confessing', the priest could have at least given the 14 year old guidance about how she could have reported it to authorities or discussed it with her parents. Bayhi wanted it to end, not be public. If he cared for that kid, he would have gotten her to talk to him about it outside the confessional so he could do something about it. There are so many things he could have done to do the right thing. He did nothing which was the worse thing he could do.
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Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:30 am to AlxTgr
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The Church is not a police agency. Why isn't this abuse being reported to the proper authorities?
So it's the child's fault?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:31 am to AlxTgr
DP
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 11:32 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:32 am to AlxTgr
quote:
The Church is not a police agency. Why isn't this abuse being reported to the proper authorities?
so...blame the kid?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:35 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Which specific passages of God killing people do you reject? The passages are contained in the most holy text of Christianity. You're pretty much saying half the Bible is bullshite but the other half is legit.
Hysterical.
ETA: And FWIW, God killed people in the New Testament, as well.
So, we're assuming that god decided to kill this one guy who molested a teenager, but he passed on killing the thousands of other killers/child molesters in the world? And if god has the power to kill people, why didn't he kill the guy before he molested the teen?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:35 am to Salmon
Well obviously it makes more sense to require the emotionally traumatized 14 year old to go to the police. Much better system than having a grown-arse man do it.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:36 am to Epic Cajun
Don't deflect.
You seem to think it laughable that God "just kills motherfrickers." It's all throughout the Bible, in both testaments.
You seem to think it laughable that God "just kills motherfrickers." It's all throughout the Bible, in both testaments.
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:37 am to AlxTgr
quote:
The Church is not a police agency. Why isn't this abuse being reported to the proper authorities?
Yikes... What better way to foster trust in the church than saying to minor victims of sexual abuse essentially "do it yourself"?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:39 am to StrongBackWeakMind
I have no idea what parts are literal, but I'm assuming people were not literally turned into salt, and god wasn't smiting fools down from the heavens.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:39 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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You seem to think it laughable that God "just kills motherfrickers." It's all throughout the Bible, in both testaments.
I'll save you some time. None of that shite is real.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:40 am to Salmon
quote:What? Blame the kid for what?
he Church is not a police agency. Why isn't this abuse being reported to the proper authorities?
so...blame the kid?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:41 am to lsu2006
"Complete horseshite" is definitely the heavy favorite at Vegas.
"Salad bar Christians" make me chuckle.
"Salad bar Christians" make me chuckle.
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:41 am to CorporateTiger
quote:The kid went to one adult already. Did the kid not tell the parents?
Well obviously it makes more sense to require the emotionally traumatized 14 year old to go to the police.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:42 am to AlxTgr
quote:
What? Blame the kid for what?
not reporting it to the proper authorities
and the entire point of the thread is that the Church did not report it to the proper authorities
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:45 am to crazycubes
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What if I confess that I let my 2 year old stay up past her bed time? Does Father now need to report that? I realize bed time and sexual abuse are two totally different things, but where is the line drawn at?
I really felt the need to respond to this. Where's the line? A lot fricking closer to "I was raped," than it is to "I let my 2 year old stay up late."
How the frick this even registered as a legitimate enough comparison in your mind baffles me.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 11:45 am to AlxTgr
I hate to break it to you, but in most cases of child sex abuse the parents are either directly involved or too emotionally invested in the abuser to take the right steps. Even if this is a theoretical stranger abuse situation (much rarer than a step-parent of other relative), parents are often suspicious of their children's stories. Then becomes especially true as girls round into adulthood and a lot of trashy parents end up actually blaming their own daughter for anything that happens.
We have these laws specifically because untrained adults (usually parents) are notoriously bad at handling these cases. If you spent any time working with child sex abuse in the justice system (I have), it would absolutely break your heart to realize how often these kids are hung out dry by their parents.
We have these laws specifically because untrained adults (usually parents) are notoriously bad at handling these cases. If you spent any time working with child sex abuse in the justice system (I have), it would absolutely break your heart to realize how often these kids are hung out dry by their parents.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 12:01 pm to crazycubes
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What if I confess that I let my 2 year old stay up past her bed time? Does Father now need to report that? I realize bed time and sexual abuse are two totally different things, but where is the line drawn at?
I think at child rape would be a conservative place to fricking draw it.
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Also, I'm sure the priest instructed the girl to go to the police. She did not.
So it's the child's fault. What a shitty post.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 12:10 pm to Salmon
Has anybody be mentioned that the seal of the confessional was instituted to encourage sinners to confess their sins as part of their repentance? In other words, if the secrecy of confession is not guaranteed, people would not confess serious stuff, and an opportunity to make a change in their life to stop sinning would be diminished.
Does everyone who opposes this decision also oppose the secrecy of the lawyer client priveldge?
Does everyone who opposes this decision also oppose the secrecy of the lawyer client priveldge?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 12:10 pm to AlxTgr
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The kid went to one adult already.
Yes...the most trusted figure in many Catholic communities...her priest.
That was her first mistake, obviously...
Posted on 11/3/16 at 12:16 pm to Jimbeaux
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In other words, if the secrecy of confession is not guaranteed, people would not confess serious stuff, and an opportunity to make a change in their life to stop sinning would be diminished.
Balance that with child rape.
Reporting child rape wins 100% of the time for most rational people...
and again, the girl said this was not during confession and even if it was she wasn't confessing the sin, she was reporting to her trusted priest what was happening to her. Does the person she's telling the priest about get covered here in some way by the confession...?
For frick's sake...
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