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re: Louisiana supreme court claims priests do not have to report child abuse
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:08 am to notbilly
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:08 am to notbilly
From what I have read in the paper the question is whether or not the girl was making a confession.
She has said she was not.
The archdiocese has framed this as a religious freedom issue.
The could have avoided the entire court by settling the case.
She has said she was not.
The archdiocese has framed this as a religious freedom issue.
The could have avoided the entire court by settling the case.
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Posted on 11/3/16 at 6:48 am to kingbob
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I think God stepped in on this one.
Ahahahhaha. Yeah, God stepped in on this one girl being sexually abused, but when the Nazis murdered and raped over 6 million men, women, and children he was like, "Nah; the Americans, Brits, and Russians will be here soon enough." Or when the estimated 1,000 babies are born each day HIV positive he's like "Damn, you humans haven't cured that shite yet?" Or like those kids in Washington whose parents were injecting them with heroin was he just saying to himself "Damn, that's fricked up. Someone should call the police." If God truly did 'work in a mysterious way', why would he step in AFTER the abuse? What kind of twisted logic would you have to have to believe something so heinous from a God that is supposed to be the embodiment of good? Why would you worship such a maniac?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:19 am to jbgleason
So the sanctity of confession is more important than people's safety? More specifically in this case children's safety?
Is there nowhere to draw a line?
Is there nowhere to draw a line?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:32 am to TexasTiger1185
There's a lot of dogmatic reactionary Catholicism in here. The notion that priests shouldn't be able to break the confessional seal in order to report imminent harm to someone (and even moreso a child) is ridiculous.
Of course I would prefer the Catholic Church step up here, but they will likely continue to lay low on this.
Of course I would prefer the Catholic Church step up here, but they will likely continue to lay low on this.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:02 am to CorporateTiger
If a penetent knows that the priest may relay his/her confession to someone else, then he/she may not even go. That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy. The Church's #1 goal is to get souls to Heaven.
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 8:03 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:03 am to crazycubes
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If a penetent knows that the priest may relay his/her confession to someone else, then he/she may not even go. That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy. The Church's #1 goal is to get souls to Heaven.
this is so incredibly fricked up
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:10 am to crazycubes
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If a penetent knows that the priest may relay his/her confession to someone else, then he/she may not even go. That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy. The Church's #1 goal is to get souls to Heaven.
This reads like fairy tale nonsense and it's juxtaposed to child rape.
Well done.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:24 am to crazycubes
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If a penetent knows that the priest may relay his/her confession to someone else, then he/she may not even go. That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy. The Church's #1 goal is to get souls to Heaven.
Muslims are promised 40 virgins (or whatever) in heaven for blowing infidels to smithereens.
Why should we put their souls in jeopardy by stopping them?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:24 am to kingbob
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Then, shouldn't she be suing her parents? If your daughter told you she was being sexually abused and your priest told you the same, wouldn't you call the cops?
"Not in the eyes of the Lord my child. Confess to thee your sins and you shall be forgiven. Sure, if you continue to get raped we will continue to cover it up, but you should not seek protection. Your parents and I have discussed this and they certainly understand. Hush hush, and accept the Lord into your life. Now bend over child."
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:26 am to crazycubes
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If a penetent knows that the priest may relay his/her confession to someone else, then he/she may not even go. That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy. The Church's #1 goal is to get souls to Heaven.
Wow.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:31 am to crazycubes
Pretty sweet deal Catholics have set up for themselves. Commit whatever sin and simply confess to a priest and be absolved.
This is when you say that God knows your true intentions and whether you are sincere in your heart and then I would ask why the need to confess it to a priest then?
This is when you say that God knows your true intentions and whether you are sincere in your heart and then I would ask why the need to confess it to a priest then?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:35 am to boosiebadazz
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That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy.
Raping a child? Meh.
Not wanting to confess because you could be held accountable by your peers. SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:36 am to CorporateTiger
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Of course I would prefer the Catholic Church step up here, but they will likely continue to lay low on this.
Well, if history is any indication on how the Catholic Church will handle this....
Posted on 11/3/16 at 9:00 am to crazycubes
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If a penetent knows that the priest may relay his/her confession to someone else, then he/she may not even go. That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy. The Church's #1 goal is to get souls to Heaven.
Yay dogma! If the person is truly repentant of their sin shouldn't they be concerned about something greater than escaping punishment?
I'm not super up to date on catholic understanding of confession, but I thought the sinner should be thinking about atoning for their sin. That could include (a) accepting the punishment for their sin, (b) placing them self in a position not to repeat it, and (c) helping provide some healing to the victim by confessing.
I would think God is more concerned about your actual repentance rather than whether you told a priest about the sin (and then went free to commit it again since the priest can't do anything to stop you).
Posted on 11/3/16 at 9:06 am to crazycubes
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If a penetent knows that the priest may relay his/her confession to someone else, then he/she may not even go. That puts his/her soul in great jeopardy. The Church's #1 goal is to get souls to Heaven.
Oh my goodness man. It's 2016.
Also, we're not talking about the raper confessing (although I would want mandated reporting for that as well if the victim is known), but rather, the confession of the victim.
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 9:12 am to Tiger in NY
Well it could be either or even a third situation where someone else confesses something that makes the priest believe that a child was assaulted by a third-party.
As an example an aunt confesses that she believes her nephew was assaulted by someone.
As an example an aunt confesses that she believes her nephew was assaulted by someone.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 9:17 am to CorporateTiger
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As an example an aunt confesses that she believes her nephew was assaulted by someone.
Interesting hypothetical, but I don't think it would pass muster as a mandatory reporting. Reason is, the aunt's "belief" is nothing more than that - a belief. Same thing as hearsay; probably inadmissible.
But let's expand on your hypo: let's say the aunt goes to confession and confesses that she witnessed her nephew's uncle abuse the nephew and did nothing to stop it. I think in that situation the confession would be protected and there would be no duty to disclose because a) the confession is made under the veil of a confession, b) the aunt intended the confession to be confidential, and c) the act confessed is about the individual (in this case, the aunt is repenting for not reporting the uncle).
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 9:22 am to FearTheFish
To be clear I meant "believes" as in "has some reason to believe (direct witness or other circumstantial evidence."
I'm not sure exactly how that jives with mandatory reporting, but I find it hard to believe that priest who hears this and truly believes the child may be endangered again (most likely a family member abuser) shouldn't be reporting it. Confessional seal or not, but make of it what you will.
I'm not sure exactly how that jives with mandatory reporting, but I find it hard to believe that priest who hears this and truly believes the child may be endangered again (most likely a family member abuser) shouldn't be reporting it. Confessional seal or not, but make of it what you will.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 9:27 am to FearTheFish
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Interesting hypothetical, but I don't think it would pass muster as a mandatory reporting. Reason is, the aunt's "belief" is nothing more than that - a belief. Same thing as hearsay; probably inadmissible.
No, this would be a mandatory reporting event. You don't need evidence to be mandated to report, that's for the authorities to figure out.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 9:35 am to rintintin
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Muslims are promised 40 virgins (or whatever) in heaven for blowing infidels to smithereens.
Why should we put their souls in jeopardy by stopping them?
This will get ignored but it really is the heart of the matter, isn't it? The claim of religious freedoms?
Let's be honest...Catholics (and to an extent run of the mill Christians) are not really advocating for religious freedom...they're advocating for religious freedom for their brand of religion.
We see this all the time, from stuff like this to prayer in schools. It's an obvious double standard and if we were talking about some "crazy" Muslim belief there would be no claims of religious freedoms being denied.
And that's the thing that an outsider seems to be able to see more clearly. Why is it that the religious, regardless of their faith, seem not only eager but fully interested in pointing out the wrongness of the doctrines of other faiths while blindly ignoring the same logical and factual holes in their own? It's only that ability/flaw that gets you this type of situation where otherwise good people (run of the mill Catholics) will argue in favor of their dogma over the protection of children...their own even.
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