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re: Louisiana COVID-19 - August 13, 2020 Update: 135,439 cases - 4279 deaths - 1,615,980 tests

Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
Lake Charles
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:47 pm to
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bullshite. I've heard from medical professionals who straight up say the data is being blatantly manipulated. Like getting positive results for people who were registered to get tested and left before getting tested because it was taking to long.


My family member inside OPH says you’re full of shite.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:47 pm to
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literally everyone has heard this story and its always second or third hand info

I heard it from a doctor. It was his staff that was getting tested due to a possible exposure at the practice. But I don't think that's going to change your mind anyway.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:48 pm to
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My family member inside OPH says you’re full of shite.

That's nice, dear
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
Lake Charles
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:49 pm to
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That's nice, dear


I’m just saying, if we’re playing 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon, I’ll win.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:49 pm to
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If I told Salmon in March the Dems would still want schools closed, restaurants closed, etc, he would have called me a hysterical fear mongering trumpkin



I don't know why you had to inject the "dems" and "trumpkin" into this, as Trump's WH is literally recommending closing restaurants right now

but yeah, back in March I probably would have called you a fear monger

lets not pretend that you were not telling everyone that the April lock down would last all summer though
Posted by etm512
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:49 pm to
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276 nursing homes x 100 residents = 27,600 x min of 8 tests = 220,800 just on nursing home residents, not staff.
Plus jails that are tested regularly



Are tests for nursing home and hospital staff also included in the state numbers? Because that would be a lot right there too

As of today I know of 2 people who have voluntarily been tested. The others work in hospitals and are tested weekly
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:49 pm to
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I heard it from a doctor. It was his staff that was getting tested due to a possible exposure at the practice. But I don't think that's going to change your mind anyway.



You are right. I don't care about your appeal to authority.

"trust the experts!"
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:50 pm to
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I’m just saying, if we’re playing 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon, I’ll win.



I don't have any reason to refute first hand knowledge from a doctor, but I guess you rely on your source with no knowledge of the situation if it makes you feel better.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:51 pm to
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lets not pretend that you were not telling everyone that the April lock down would last all summer though


Here we are, and people cant gather over 50, bars cant open, sports is being cancelled left and right, and the school systems arent back to normal


Yeh, I was WAY OFF
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:51 pm to
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I don't have any reason to refute first hand knowledge from a doctor, but I guess you rely on your source with no knowledge of the situation if it makes you feel better.



remember this time some doctor says their hospital is being overrun with COVID patients
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:51 pm to
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Are tests for nursing home and hospital staff also included in the state numbers? Because that would be a lot right there too


Well, yes.

State initiated the testing in most facilities outside of those proactive enough to initiate voluntarily.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:51 pm to
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You are right. I don't care about your appeal to authority.

"trust the experts!"

You seem pretty butthurt about a first hand account of blatant data manipulation. Sounds like you've got a dog in the fight, my man.
Posted by skullhawk
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:52 pm to
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What do they do this winter when the flu actually kills children and tears through schools? The regular flu is 3.5 times more deadly for kids under 15 than Covid is. We gonna shut down every flu season? Something we HAVE A VACCINE FOR that still kills tens of thousands every year.


I was listening to a podcast with one of these infectious disease "experts" and he was saying we should and should have been doing this. His suggestion was taking a two month winter break for schools at the height of flu season and cutting summer break short to make up for the time.

These people have the spotlight and you're crazy if you think they are just going to slink back into the basement.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:52 pm to
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remember this time some doctor says their hospital is being overrun with COVID patients

Man, you are some pissed.
Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:53 pm to
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you rely on your source with no knowledge of the situation


My source in the Office of Public Health has no knowledge of public health. Did I read that right?
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:53 pm to
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if Trump wins, you actually believe that we will shut the country down every flu season from now on?


Why not? We've had numerous "pandemics" over the last several deceased and NEVER shut down the country, or focused THIS much attention on said illnesses. Since at least 2016, we've had constant "existential crises" for the last 4 years. In case you haven't been paying attention, portions of cities have, and are currently being destroyed because of the "crisis" of police brutality against black people. Never mind the fact that the impetus for the current wave of protests was an EXCEEDINGLY rare event...an unarmed black man being killed by police.

The mainstream media exists solely to create division. The 6:00 national news report and reality are two completely different pictures. Then you amplify that division through the power of social media. So after 4 years of daily "existential crises" do you really believe those will just stop after Trump is elected?

The flu kills thousands of people every year. And I would be willing to bet that if we tested for it with the same vigor as we have for cornovirus we'd find the instance of positive tests would DWARF covid. So if "one death is too many" for covid, then why shouldn't the same logic apply to the flu? If despite the fact the positive rate and death rates pertaining to covid are minuscule relative to the US population we still shut down things out of an abundance of caution, then why shouldn't the same logic apply to the flu? Football can't be played (at least according to the Big 10) due to the risk of mayocarditis associated with covid. Well, that same risk has LONG been associated with influenza as well. If we apply the same logic to the flu as we are to covid, then don't we also have to shut everything down during flu season?

So the question is if the "logic" underlying the measures pertaining to covid are "warranted", then why won't that same logic apply to the flu? Or is it simply that the number of deaths we are willing to tolerate from the flu is greater than that we are willing to tolerate from covid? Because BOTH will continue to cause death.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:53 pm to
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Yeh, I was WAY OFF


We are a lot more open the the April shut down.

We are closer to where I thought we would be than to where you thought we would be.

Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139245 posts
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:54 pm to
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My source in the Office of Public Health has no knowledge of public health. Did I read that right?


Your source has no knowledge of this specific incident. Can you read that or do you need more help?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112733 posts
Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:54 pm to
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My source in the Office of Public Health has no knowledge of public health. Did I read that right?

Honestly, now that I know your source works for the govt, everything makes so much sense
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/13/20 at 12:54 pm to
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Man, you are some pissed.


Nope. Just asking you to be consistent.

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