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re: Louisiana congressional map creating new majority-Black district ruled unconstitutional
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:26 am to cgrand
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:26 am to cgrand
So district 2 would have gone from being 58% black (per Wiki) to 51%. That's not much of a margin if the goal is to elect a minority representative, especially since white people tend to vote at a higher rate than minorities.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 11:28 am
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Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:30 am to Brummy
Problem is that geography in this state means there are few concentrated areas of black voters in the numbers required for a district.
Having an 80% black NOLA if it had 1 million people in the population would mean that one district could be centered on Orleans Parish but the other would have to be cobbled together from other areas.
That was the exact situation that failed in 1994 when Cleo Fields’ “Zorro” district got thrown out.
Having an 80% black NOLA if it had 1 million people in the population would mean that one district could be centered on Orleans Parish but the other would have to be cobbled together from other areas.
That was the exact situation that failed in 1994 when Cleo Fields’ “Zorro” district got thrown out.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:37 am to Indefatigable
I fully trust our louisiana govt and know they are working for my best interests.
How dare you doom and bloomers
How dare you doom and bloomers
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:38 am to kingbob
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How can it be unconstitutional to base the map on race if the same court requires maps be based on race? This is a catch-22.
Are we pretending that this map was an actual attempt at creating coherent districts, even with the absurd racial requirements?
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:40 am to Brummy
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So district 2 would have gone from being 58% black (per Wiki) to 51%. That's not much of a margin if the goal is to elect a minority representative, especially since white people tend to vote at a higher rate than minorities.
The white population in Orleans Parish isn't going to vote red.
They might cause a white Democrat to take the seat. But that's the real reason anyway. You didn't see the challenges to the map when Chris John and Charlie Melancon were in the House.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:42 am to Indefatigable
Is there another way to draw two minority majority districts? Like, literally, blacks are pretty evenly distributed around the state except around New Orleans and the River Parishes. You need a geographical area with 400k blacks that doesn’t also contain more whites. It’s really difficult to draw in Louisiana.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:47 am to Bestbank Tiger
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It would be nice if the courts would make up their mind.
It would also be nice if citizens had a way to hold these a-hole judges to account for their increasingly-frequent unconstitutional/racist/Marxist rulings.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:49 am to frankthetank
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Requiring any districts to be based on race should be unconstitutional.
It's very confusing what is racist and not in 2024. Claiming a race must have special race oriented representation seems like the epitome of racism, yet it is not?
So this is an admission that people of a certain race all vote alike?
Are we allowed to make other sweeping observations about how certain races behave?
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:52 am to cgrand
Good. That map is bullshite. No one in BR should be in a district with someone from Shreveport or Lake Providence
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:53 am to kingbob
Isn’t there some software that can do this in a rational way given the required parameters? It could even give you several options to choose from. One problem is they are starting from the current map and trying to pick and pull from existing districts to create the desired outcome. The right approach would be to start with a blank map and rationally (I know- that’s a difficult word to use here given the requirements) draw the required number of districts with the required population characteristics. If the existing g districts are maintained, fine. If they are not, that’s fine too. Let the current incumbents run in their new districts.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:54 am to teke184
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And Graves pissed off EVERYONE in power within the state over a variety of things
What are some of the highlights here? I don’t follow close enough to know this but he’s my district so I’m interested!
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:56 am to cgrand
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The new map took apart the district held by Garret Graves, who'd endorsed Landry's rival Stephen Waguespack for governor.
While this is one of the motives, the other motive is that keeping this issue in abeyance temporarily deprives the Democrats of picking up another seat in the House. They deliberately drew a map they knew wouldn't pass muster and now it's back to square until after the next election.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:57 am to patchesohoulihan_007
Graves endorsed and campaigned for one of Landry’s opponents in the Governor’s race, which Landry won in the primary.
Graves also was involved in backstabbing a number of GOP Speaker hopefuls because he was loyal to Kevin McCarthy rather than supporting the most powerful member from his state at the time, Steve Scalise. I believe he leaked a bunch of dirt intended to kill Scalise’s chances which is why he withdrew from the Speaker race.
Graves also was involved in backstabbing a number of GOP Speaker hopefuls because he was loyal to Kevin McCarthy rather than supporting the most powerful member from his state at the time, Steve Scalise. I believe he leaked a bunch of dirt intended to kill Scalise’s chances which is why he withdrew from the Speaker race.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:58 am to kingbob
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so they have to gerrymander a ridiculously shaped district to create a second black majority district.
Not really. This proposed map makes the most sense geographically and allows for 2 black districts. Still cuts up BR into 3 districts but I don’t think there’s a way around not cutting BR up. Not sure why it isn’t being pushed, I would guess because it means Letlow wouldn’t keep her seat.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:58 am to cgrand
Jeff Landry has been such a loser. Still better than Honor Chode purely based on the fact he has not put draconian sanctions on the population yet.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:00 pm to kingbob
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Is there another way to draw two minority majority districts?
Yes.
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It’s really difficult to draw in Louisiana.
No, it really isn’t. Go to Dave’s Redistricting website. You can do it in ten minutes. There is an example right above this post.
This post was edited on 5/1/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:15 pm to Indefatigable
The best thing this does is eliminate another D in the house for now. Do I think the district was drawn knowing it would get kicked out. Maybe.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:19 pm to Jcorye1
the sad thing is that for the first time in a long time there were viable republican alternatives to the same old bought and paid for pander to the morons candidates like Landry…and they lost in a landslide
either waguespack or Nelson would have been a major upgrade in leadership for this state and would have been perfectly acceptable to the vast majority of actual tax paying voters
But no…we got culture war slogans, back room deals and power play deal making just like always
either waguespack or Nelson would have been a major upgrade in leadership for this state and would have been perfectly acceptable to the vast majority of actual tax paying voters
But no…we got culture war slogans, back room deals and power play deal making just like always
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:31 pm to dovehunter
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Do I think the district was drawn knowing it would get kicked out. Maybe.
I agree it’s possible. But I question whether the La Leg, quite possibly the most incompetent deliberative body in the developed world, is capable of such a strategy.
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:45 pm to kingbob
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However, Louisiana’s minority populations are too spread out, so they have to gerrymander a ridiculously shaped district to create a second black majority district.
Actually, they can draw more regional districts and still maintain the possibility of two majority black districts. The problem is that it would also dilute the support of the presently elected white reps making them vulnerable in the next election.
That’s the real reason for the current map looking the way that it does.
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