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Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:21 pm to keakar
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i guess you can debate the worst ways people died from murderous hoards throughout history, but for sheer volume of numbers killed its not even close. the stalanist purges i think would come in second after the holocost
Nah, actually from sheer numbers mao, Stalin, and a few other dictators in history killed quite a few more than the Holocaust.
The difference IMO is the way in which they were killed, and the reason for which they were killed, which essentially was no reason at all
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:24 pm to Tiger1242
It's 75 percent recency bias, 15 percent white privilege ( I'm not a white guilter but you don't hear shite about Darfur ) and 10 percent Jewish media bullshite
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:25 pm to Wolf
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1) The surviving Nazis actually had to answer for their war crimes in a very public way. Russia and Japan did not. Verified and documented truth is easier to sensationalize than vague rumors that few witnesses stupid enough to lend credibility to.
2) Jewish presence in the media has always kept awareness of the Holocaust high. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is the truth.
3) Hitler was on the opposite side of the US. We had four years of war propaganda saying he was the devil.
4) Hitler didn't get nuked so we never felt like we balanced the books.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:34 pm to Tiger1242
quote:Correct. It was so quick and systematic. No territory was in dispute. They were productive members of society. etc. It was a literal ethnic cleansing. For Stalin and Mao, you can at least argue that there was SOME theoretical underpinning to their atrocities.
The difference IMO is the way in which they were killed, and the reason for which they were killed, which essentially was no reason at all
The Khmer Rouge should be up there. The smaller numbers are mostly a function of how small the denominator was to start with. But good lord, it was brutal.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
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For Stalin and Mao, you can at least argue that there was SOME theoretical underpinning to their atrocities.
I’m not sure watching your people starve to death because you refuse to admit that your political philosophy is a colossal failure is any less justifiable than straight up gassing a race of people.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:40 pm to Tiger1242
Agree
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:40 pm to Tiger1242
All those other things were ancient history. Literally. They weren’t seen as crimes at the times. Holocaust was a modern society doing that and was clearly viewed as a crime against humanity
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:44 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Look, I'm not defending any of them. I'm just saying, you can have some crazed theory on agrarianism that essentially has the cliched punchline "you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette". I think that's different than just choosing to kill one specific group in the millions.
I’m not sure watching your people starve to death because you refuse to admit that your political philosophy is a colossal failure is any less justifiable than straight up gassing a race of people.
It's an interesting question you raise: did Mao/Stalin believe they were presiding over colossal failures? The USSR at least had something to show for their insanity (e.g. Sputnik and other scientific advancements). My guess is that they did not think they were witnessing failures.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:44 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Mongol death tallies can't even sniff the level of atrocities committed in the 20th century
50+million?
Only WW2 and it’s various communist genocides had more
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:45 pm to Antonio Moss
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I’m not sure watching your people starve to death because you refuse to admit that your political philosophy is a colossal failure is any less justifiable than straight up gassing a race of people.
/thread
Although even if you did speak out, your arse was dead too.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:53 pm to Tiger1242
I think what sets the Holocaust part from other instances of genocide is the industrial nature of it. The Nazis mobilized a massive industrial framework across all of Europe for the sole purpose of mass extermination. If you look at the scale of the efforts put into constructing the whole death camp system, from rounding up people, shipping them en mass across Europe by the tens of thousands at a time , and then exterminating and disposing of millions of bodies, it become overwhelming macabre.
So while there have been other acts of genocide in history that were terrible to behold, none compare to how the Nazis industrialized it and made it into a well oiled machine.
So while there have been other acts of genocide in history that were terrible to behold, none compare to how the Nazis industrialized it and made it into a well oiled machine.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
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did Mao/Stalin believe they were presiding over colossal failures?
It’s an easier argument for Mao. I think he may have been legitimately insane. When you study the details of the Great Leap Forward, it’s jaw-dropping.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:03 pm to Tiger1242
What happened on 1/9/12 was the worst crime in history
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:03 pm to Tiger1242
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Or maybe since we were supposed to be more advanced and cultured it being so recent makes it worse?
I think this makes it more heinous than the others mentioned.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:11 pm to OweO
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What about when god killed the whole population except Noah?
You know God was sitting there like, "Damn i have some hankering for some really taboo porn, how do i make this happen....how about i make it rain on dem hoes."
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:17 pm to Tiger1242
The no call interception against Julio in 08 is worse
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:19 pm to OweO
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What about when god killed the whole population except Noah? Was that considered a crime?
that was a fairy tale intended to control the unwashed masses.
Effective when paired with new fairy tale that you escape gods wrath for all your sins if you "have faith in the power of the blood (sacrifice).
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:25 pm to OweO
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What about when god killed the whole population except Noah?
Didn't happen.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:27 pm to Hangit
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Didn't happen.
How could you say that about the Holocaust?!?!?
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