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re: LEAP testing is absurd
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:42 am to High C
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:42 am to High C
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Testing is way overdone, far too expensive, and scores are not accurate data. All we seem to do, though, is more testing.
Testing is overdone or the Leap test and other standardized tests are overdone? Sorry your judged by a flawed metric, but how exactly do you want to evaluate the students proficiency in a subject if you don’t test them?
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Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:43 am to tigerinthebueche
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Sorry your kid has to take a test, but people like you- people bitching- is why they’ve broken the test up into multiple days.
I can tell you as a kid, I took no such all day testing, nor did I take this many hours of tests over a consecutive number of days.
I'm guessing, neither did you.
So yeah, my "bitching" is just me asking / commenting that it makes no sense to do this when for decades before, we didn't do this.
And as other posters have shared, the value of all this testing is almost zero.
This is a waste of everyone's time and money (i.e. taxpayer money).
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:45 am to LSUFanHouston
LEAP is no fun without the FROG section!
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:45 am to LSUFanHouston
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Back in the 90s we had kids graduating at "valedictorian" and with 4.0 plus GPAs, from some NOLA schools, that could barely spell their own name and were needing college remedial classes.
Doubtful.
FYI
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Along with the LEAP test, the Graduate Exit Exam was first administered to students classified as sophomores in the 1988-89 school year and thereafter. The Graduate Exit Exam became a requirement for high school graduation beginning with the 1991 graduating class.
https://www2.southeastern.edu/Academics/Faculty/nadams/educ692/leap.html#:~:text=leap&text=The%20original%20Louisiana%20Educational%20Assessment,fit%2Dall%20approach%20to%20accountability.
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But my 8th grader today is on Day 4 of SIX days of testing. Yes, they break it up so they are not testing all day, but over the course of the 6 days, the total test time (not counting breaks, intro, etc) is 14 hours and 55 min... almost 15 hours.
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I cannot recall a single college final exam lasting more than 3 hours.
How many hours did you have for all your exams for you bachelor's degree? Because that is the equivalent of what we are talking about. Leap is typically measuring multiple years of progress.
Now I'm not sure they are doing much good but the time it takes is not the issue here.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:45 am to LSUFanHouston
It would be best if the exams focused on the basic skills: reading, writing and math. If the students don't have these skills essential to a basic education then everything else is pretty much irrelevant.
If a student can't read at grade level, do basic math and write a short essay then testing on social science is pointless.
If a student can't read at grade level, do basic math and write a short essay then testing on social science is pointless.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:46 am to LSUFanHouston
15 hours of testing is absurd. There’s no way the data you’re getting from that is worth the lost curriculum time. 6 hours of testing should be sufficient, maybe a max of 8 hours total
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:46 am to LSUFanHouston
I remember the Iowa Test of Basic Skills. I believe that we started in 2nd grade, and it was several hours of testing. That was in the late eighties.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:49 am to LSUFanHouston
I always thought they were BS, but I recall taking some standardized tests (LEAP, Stafford, something else) that was done all day for 3-4 days of the week. Now, you're botching that it's spread out over a period of 2 weeks?
And comparing it to the CPA exam is funny. I would have gladly accepted my CPA exam to be in a similar format...all multiple choice, no research, short answer, or essay, and the obvious answer for LEAP was ALWAYS the right answer.
And comparing it to the CPA exam is funny. I would have gladly accepted my CPA exam to be in a similar format...all multiple choice, no research, short answer, or essay, and the obvious answer for LEAP was ALWAYS the right answer.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:49 am to OweO
quote:I read this and thought, wow what type of retard would ever do this and then I looked at the user, makes sense. Also you still never answered my question, does your weiner work?
these the test that doesn't have anything to do with moving on to the next grade? If so, I remember we used to race to see who could fill out the scantrons the fastest.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:50 am to LSUFanHouston
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over the course of the 6 days, the total test time (not counting breaks, intro, etc) is 14 hours and 55 min... almost 15 hours.
Honestly what sets kids apart more than anything is attention spans. Whether intentional or not this method tests for that
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:55 am to Weekend Warrior79
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but I recall taking some standardized tests (LEAP, Stafford, something else) that was done all day for 3-4 days of the week.
That was NOT my experience growing up.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:58 am to LSUFanHouston
Do you think the parents of little asian kids are complaining about how long tests take?
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:58 am to LSUFanHouston
it could be kansas where our state test is a joke no one takes seriously. Most of my kids come back within 5 minutes after being called out to take it and openly admit to just clicking things.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:59 am to LSUFanHouston
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can tell you as a kid, I took no such all day testing, nor did I take this many hours of tests over a consecutive number of days.
I believe we took the Iowa Test of Basic Skills or some such proficiency exam to measure individual skill levels at mathematics and reading proficiency when I was a kid. I can’t remember how long we spent doing so. In high school we had weekly or biweekly tests and semester exams. We tested in the morning and had afternoons off to study. They lasted a week. No one from any of my schools suffered long term negative side effects from this abuse.
Again, what metric would you like to use that isn’t going to inconvenience or hurt you or your child so those responsible for their education can evaluate their proficiency?
I’m not saying the LEAP test is the answer. I’m just trying to figure out why we have to do something else simply because your poor delicate kid apparently can’t take tests over the course of a week. Not all in one day like a bar exam or board certification for something. A test given over the course of a week for a few Hours a day.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:59 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Do you think the parents of little asian kids are complaining about how long tests take?
Yes I do.
Because the parents of the little asian kids understand there is ZERO value for 15 hours of testing.
They understand the value comes from paying attention in school and doing nightly homework and reinforcement.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:00 am to tigerinthebueche
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I’m not saying the LEAP test is the answer. I’m just trying to figure out why we have to do something else
It's a waste of time, money and resources.
Also, once LEAP is given... learning ends for the year... more wasted time and money.
Throw LEAP out and give a final exam in the last week of school that is standardized and fits into a class period... like all other tests and exams.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:02 am to LSUFanHouston
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Yes I do. Because the parents of the little asian kids understand there is ZERO value for 15 hours of testing. They understand the value comes from paying attention in school and doing nightly homework and reinforcement.
No, I don't think they are. You can always pull little Danny out of testing and teach him how to dig a ditch.
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:02 am to fatboydave
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LEAP is no fun without the FROG section!
What does a perverted frog say?
Rubbit!
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:05 am to High C
quote:I remember in 7th grade intentionally tanking my science portion of the test because I hated the teacher.
Been giving LEAP/iLeap/Iowa/tons of other “benchmark” tests for years. There was a brief time, around 2010, that they were actually “high stakes”. If a kid scored unsatisfactory, they had to attend a month of summer school then retake the test.
So many parents complained about undue stress and anxiety that their kids were experiencing that the state department backed off. Now, the test means nothing at all to the students, but it’s still the main tool used to determine teacher and school effectiveness. It’s a joke.
We began LEAP testing this week, and I’ve had to continually wake up students who are sleeping during the test. Not when they’re finished with a session, but during the test. Yet this is what you want to base my job performance on?
Testing is way overdone, far too expensive, and scores are not accurate data. All we seem to do, though, is more testing.
Dude treated me like shite because he didnt like my older brother (who admitedly was a super lazy student). Had Mastery/Advanced on every section other than science. cant remember what I scored on it but it wasnt good. He was tenured so it didnt really matter but i felt good knowing I wasnt contributing anything positive to him. This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 9:08 am
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:07 am to LSUFanHouston
complete honesty I looked forward to leap week because it was better than sitting and listening to teachers all day. 
we usually had a ton of free time after the first half of day testing.
we usually had a ton of free time after the first half of day testing. This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 9:07 am
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