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re: "Leaky" vaccines= worsening viruses
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
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No
The virus doesnt have a brain, it doesnt think or care. Variants simply happen when replication fricks up.
Could the vaccine cause the virus to “frick up” at a higher rate? Not trying to troll but just curious.
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:03 am to RealityTiger
quote:Same goes for an actual moderate to severe covid infection.quote:You can ask that question about any medicine you put in your body though.
What are the long term effects?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:04 am to STEVED00
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Could the vaccine cause the virus to “frick up” at a higher rate? Not trying to troll but just curious.
considering one of the jobs of the vaccine is to reduce replication, I'd say the odds are far less likely
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:05 am to lsupride87
quote:That's when the 5G chips activate
Long term effects as it relates to viruses or vaccines have always meant something that presents itself a few weeks after presentation that then lasts into the long term
Only now did it mutate to mean something that doesn’t present itself at all for years and then BAM! just appears
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:07 am to Korkstand
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Again what difference do you think it makes in this case if the person is vaccinated or not?
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That mutation can become the dominant strain in the individual and pass it on to another individual…or is that just clearly not a possibility?
The rest of my comment. Would the chance to pass on a mutation be less likely if it doesn’t become the dominant strain in the body?
I’m not arguing for or against the vaccine. I’m just trying to understand if this “leaky” concept means that vaccines are going to be a routine thing for the rest of our lives.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:08 am to STEVED00
quote:no
Could the vaccine cause the virus to “frick up” at a higher rate?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:10 am to lsupride87
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Nothing "makes" the virus mutate. Its simple, the more hosts and more viral replication that happens, the more mutations. That simple really.
Also, if a vaccine stops the most prolific strains, then a vaccine resistant mutation will become the most prolific. I think that's what people mean when they say the vaccine "creates" mutations.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:10 am to Lestradamus
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I’m just trying to understand if this “leaky” concept means that vaccines are going to be a routine thing for the rest of our lives.
there will most likely be annual COVID boosters to deal with different variants, much like flu shots
one day we will probably have a combo flu/COVID shot
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Delta was detected, strangely enough, the same month the vaccines rolled out.
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The first Delta case was identified in December 2020, and the variant soon became the predominant strain of the virus in both India and then Great Britain.
Yale Medicine article originally from July
India didn’t begin mass vaccination until January 2021.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:11 am to RyanMartin835
What explains Israeli's numbers?
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
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MainAll NewsTechnology & HealthNatural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
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David Rosenberg , Jul 13 , 2021 9:24 AM
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Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.
Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.
More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:15 am to Lestradamus
If you're worried about getting vaccinated because you don't know 100% across the board what you're putting in your body nor do you know 100% what potential good/harm it could do for any of your organs and bodily functions, then don't put any other medication in your body. Because that logic holds true for everything you ingest.
And I'm not talking strictly prescribed. I'm talking OTC meds as well.
And I'm not talking strictly prescribed. I'm talking OTC meds as well.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:17 am to RealityTiger
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Quick question as to whether I should pay attention to one thing you're saying. Do you have a medical degree with experience in the field?
That's like telling me you don't respect my opinion on if it's raining outside because I'm not a meteorologist.
It's easy to look out the window and see if it's raining, and we don't need a medical degree to read up on viruses. Plus, I know a lot of doctors, and some are knowledgeable, while some are ignorant, about Covid.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:17 am to iron banks
Funnily enough an email was sent out yesterday at my job saying boosters will be ready soon. My question is when will people say it is enough? If this doesn't work will there be a fourth, fifth, etc.? When is enough enough? 
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:18 am to SixthAndBarone
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Yay! Another vaccine post!!!!
Why don’t you go back to the food board since you’re so unhappy here?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:18 am to RyanMartin835
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RyanMartin835
So. fricking. Stupid.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:18 am to iron banks
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Boosters from here to infinity
Flu shot 2.0
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:19 am to Penrod
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Also, if a vaccine stops the most prolific strains, then a vaccine resistant mutation will become the most prolific. I think that's what people mean when they say the vaccine "creates" mutations.
But natural immunity would do the same thing. Besides, you want “deadly” viruses to mutate into an easily transmissible form as those tend to be less deadly.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:26 am to Salmon
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but does not prove
In fairness, science does not prove anything, if only disproves.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:32 am to Lestradamus
quote:I don't think you're getting my question.quote:The rest of my comment. Would the chance to pass on a mutation be less likely if it doesn’t become the dominant strain in the body?
That mutation can become the dominant strain in the individual and pass it on to another individual…or is that just clearly not a possibility?
You seem to be asking whether vaccinated people would be "breeding grounds" for a strain that avoids the OG antibodies. If such a strain arises, it wouldn't matter if the person was vaccinated or not, or if they had covid already. All are potential hosts, and both the vaccinated and those who already had another strain of covid have the selective pressures in their bodies that might result in that strain becoming dominant.
Best bet is to get vaccinated and reduce the duration of an infection and reduce the chances of spreading.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:32 am to Sasquatch Smash
in fairness, I only used "proved" because the person I was replying to used the term
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