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re: Lawyers: how can anyone with a conscience put work into helping someone like Kohberger?

Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:56 am to
Posted by Beauw
Blanchard
Member since Sep 2007
3873 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:56 am to
I guess they want the exposure, like Cochran, Kardashian, etc...

Moral dilemma for sure.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
18605 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:56 am to
Not a lawyer, but everyone still has the right to a fair trial.

One of those American freedoms
Posted by Lake Vegas Tiger
Lake Vegas
Member since Jun 2014
3274 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:58 am to
Everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves in court and have adequate representation
Posted by IonaTiger
The Commonwealth Of Virginia
Member since Mar 2006
33115 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:04 am to
That is a wonderful exchange! I highly recommend that everyone watch “A Man For All Seasons” in which Paul Scofield plays Sir Thomas More.

St. Thomas More is the Patron Saint of lawyers and there can be no better model.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14026 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:26 am to
You think lawyers should predetermine in incense and guilt when deciding if a person should be represented at all? I think that would make for a terrible system. If he is guilty, prove it. A whole lot of DAs and power hungry cops have arrested and prosecuted the wrong people, they were incarcerated and then DNA proved them innocent.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26442 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:35 am to
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Any lawyers chime in, but how could anyone with a conscience put work into helping someone like this?? And how could you put up a defense knowing they are guilty?


In a situation like that you can try and just focus on defending the judicial process (e.g., making sure the rules of evidence are followed, making sure impartial jurors are selected, vetting prosecutors and witnesses for lying, etc) and let the chips fall where they may. It's still important for our judicial system to work for defense attorneys to do this even in cases where they think or know their client is guilty.
Posted by Mootsman
Charlotte, NC
Member since Oct 2012
6204 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:04 pm to
Somebody has to do it.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
6748 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:06 pm to
Of all the things the US Government does that's a bit sketchy, ensuring a defendant has adequate representation isn't one that I worry about. Remember that all are presumed innocent, even in a slam dunk case. If we take the right away from one person, the same Ruby Ridge/Waco government won't bat an eye at taking away everyone's.
Posted by Fishwater
Carcosa
Member since Aug 2010
5973 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:32 pm to
You have to defend the guilt to protect the innocent.


I love it when all these Trumpers scream for public executions without a trial, etc. THEN they, their wife, or child gets a DUI and wants it to "go away." Well my friend, you can't have it both ways.

As for the case at hand, The appointed or elected Public Defender for that county has been appointed to represent Kohberger. I'm interested to see how this small town police department handled their investigation or if they brought in County or state police. Also, there will be a large mental health aka NGRI defense explored.

Lots of mitigation through mitigation experts will / already likely occurring. The purpose of mitigation to bring the case from a death penalty to Life without parole sentencing.
Posted by bott18240
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2009
589 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:38 pm to
Y’all obviously have not read my follow up. I posted the question after seeing him on the news and mounting evidence and seeing those 4 kids faces.

Obviously I know he needs a defender and I agree with it. I guess what I should have said is, how difficult would it be to defend someone if it’s pretty obvious they are guilty.

OJ for example
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1387 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:44 pm to
As unsavory as it sounds, even likely murderers deserve representation. "Innocent until proven guilty" is the bedrock of our legal system.

We have sent many innocent people to prison before, and even though it "looks" like he's guilty, we're only getting a bit of the story. We can't just go putting people in jail for life because it looks like they're guilty.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution, and Kohlberger's defense team is there to make sure a citizen isn't screwed over by our legal system.

And in the end, it's all about due process and making sure everything is done by the books. Everyone wants that.
Posted by Fishwater
Carcosa
Member since Aug 2010
5973 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

Y’all obviously have not read my follow up. I posted the question after seeing him on the news and mounting evidence and seeing those 4 kids faces.

Obviously I know he needs a defender and I agree with it. I guess what I should have said is, how difficult would it be to defend someone if it’s pretty obvious they are guilty.

OJ for example


Gotcha. Well OJ isnt a good example because he had the financial resources to even the playing field and of course as we know, his defense prevailed. Not a difficult case to defend when you have his resources.

Now the open and shut cases where the defendant did something horrible and there is no doubt what so ever, and it goes to trial, those are referred to as "four day guilt pleas" or however long the trial takes.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

Somehow seeing his face on the news and those 4 kids faces at the same time just pissed me off.


This is how women think and make decisions. Be better
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1088 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

all these Trumpers scream


Someone less intellectual might assert that this is not really germane to the issue being discussed... but finally someone was brave enough to highlight the epidemic that is DUIs by wife and children of Trump supporters in a thread about the Idaho murders.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53148 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:50 pm to
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Money makes people do the strangest shite.


He has to have a competent defense attorney or a conviction will be thrown out on appeal. A defense attorney zealously representing the defendant actually ensures he stays in jail.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
18001 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

I love it when all these Trumpers scream for public executions without a trial, etc. THEN they, their wife, or child gets a DUI and wants it to "go away." Well my friend, you can't have it both ways.


Seems like an odd thing you had to shoehorn in there
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 1:57 pm
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
41211 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 2:57 pm to
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How could anyone defend him and look the families in the eye?
The first part is their profession, chosen by them. They're their to hold the prosecution accountable and ensure their client gets a fair trial essentially. The second part is not a part of their profession. This isn't a hard concept.

The legal system is already tough and at times corrupt as it is. I speak from experience. I've been lucky enough to have money for a good defense attorney. They're priceless, especially when talking about some of the sentences you can receive. Also, you'd much rather a great DA compared to some public defenders you could possibly be appointed. I've sat next to people with drug charges less than I had but I got a year with 5 years probation and they took fed time. Both of us were guilty, but I had the resources for a damn fine defense attorney and they had a public defender.

Shout-out to Rodney Messina btw.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75479 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:02 pm to
It don’t do criminal work, but this is an important part of our Justice system. We don’t just eye ball and and roll.

I don’t know if if he’s even pled yet.

I personally don’t want the government executing people unrepresented.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 3:02 pm
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17454 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:40 pm to
see Adams defending [some] of the officers/soldiers who fired at the Boston Massacre at their trial.

NOTE: if America is and has always been systematically racist why were we taught the name Crispus Attucks in reference to the Boston Massacre and why is he recognized as the first casualty of the revolutionary war instead of being erased from history?
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68311 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

Any lawyers chime in, but how could anyone with a conscience put work into helping someone like this??


Because the Constitution is more important than your feelings.
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