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re: Lawyers: how can anyone with a conscience put work into helping someone like Kohberger?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:54 am to bott18240
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:54 am to bott18240
Our Constitution ensures everyone has a defense.
There are plenty of people accused of heinous crimes that were not guilty.
You do not get to decide who gets a defense and who doesn't.
Most likely his defense team, if he is truly guilty of heinous crimes, is pushing behind the scenes for him to plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. Sometimes that's all the job is.
There are plenty of people accused of heinous crimes that were not guilty.
You do not get to decide who gets a defense and who doesn't.
Most likely his defense team, if he is truly guilty of heinous crimes, is pushing behind the scenes for him to plead guilty to avoid the death penalty. Sometimes that's all the job is.
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:56 am to bott18240
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It pissed me off a bit. I guess its just a job, but who could/would represent someone who butchered four people?
First, there are indeed guys that the media paints as "beyond a doubt" that are innocent. Richard Jewel for example. He was a sad sack that looked guilty as heck and needed a good lawyer.
Second, you have plenty of folks in every law class that love taking the opposite side of something obvious just to do it. Sometimes one might say they love being obnoxious. There's a guy on here named something like Henry or Howard, from Texas, that seems to do just that. If Donald Trump told him to fasten his seatbelt, Henry would drive 150mph without a seatbelt all day to "prove him wrong" (if his POS Hyundai with duct-taped mismatched bumper could go that fast).
Third, you also have up and coming criminal defense guys that want to get noticed. They'll take anything to get noticed.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:57 am to bott18240
Even a 0-10 team will go out and play a 10-0 district champion.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:00 am to bott18240
Not a lawyer.
With that out of the way, everyone deserves a proper, zealous defense against the state.
The state has the power to put you in a cage forever and in certain instances to kill an individual.
Every defendant regardless of the charge must be granted the right to confront their accusers. Full stop.
With that out of the way, everyone deserves a proper, zealous defense against the state.
The state has the power to put you in a cage forever and in certain instances to kill an individual.
Every defendant regardless of the charge must be granted the right to confront their accusers. Full stop.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:02 am to jclem11
Same way a doctor works his hardest to save the life of a murderer in the emergency room. It's the oath.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:05 am to bott18240
So would you rather our system resemble something more like the Soviet system? Where just an accusation lands you imprisoned for years?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:06 am to bott18240
Due process or the "innocent until proven guilty" is one of if not THE core elements at the hear of the US judicial system. A lot of people (including myself) just like to skip over this fact in high profile cases where the proof is there for all to see, but that's not how our system works. Even for the worst of the worst people.
Everyone is afforded the right of innocent until proven guilty. And as someone earlier in the thread said, a defense attorney in that situation would strictly only have to make the state show proof. As long as that's done, then the person has received a fair trial and that's that.
Everyone is afforded the right of innocent until proven guilty. And as someone earlier in the thread said, a defense attorney in that situation would strictly only have to make the state show proof. As long as that's done, then the person has received a fair trial and that's that.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:08 am to IAmNERD
Geez. I started this thread after seeing their faces on the news and it pissed me off. I already retracted my statement cause you are all correct. Hence my last post..
Y’all are right. Everyone deserves a defense. Somehow seeing his face on the news and those 4 kids faces at the same time just pissed me off.
My bad. Stupid post/question
Y’all are right. Everyone deserves a defense. Somehow seeing his face on the news and those 4 kids faces at the same time just pissed me off.
My bad. Stupid post/question
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:13 am to bott18240
Not stupid at all
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:14 am to bott18240
In our Constitutional system, the job of a defense lawyer is to make sure that the Constitution and rule of law is followed. The public policy is that is important that the "state" not deprive an innocent person of liberty by overzealous, biased or incompetent prosecution. It should be noted that many of the worst\guilty defendants are actually defended by appointed lawyers who are overwhelmed and underpaid. Those lawyers are basically defending the Constitution and making sure that the defendant's rights as a "citizen" are not violated. Only the wealthy, usually, can afford high priced lawyers and attempt to win a case while guilty.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:16 am to bott18240
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. I already retracted my statement cause you are all correct. Hence my last post..
Sorry, didn't see that.
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My bad. Stupid post/question
I don't think so. Like I said, it's probably the single most important part of our legal system that can, and has, saved people from a death sentence after the media or some corrupt sheriff of some backwoods town has already had the person convicted in the court of public opinion.
No, it wouldn't be very easy to represent someone like that. Especially if after digging into the evidence it turns out they are, in fact, guilty of a horrendous crime. But there are people graduating law school all the time knowing that they may face that test of their morals one day and still sign on to do the job. Because they believe in the system. (And money
)Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:16 am to bott18240
Go rewatch the Rittenhouse trial to understand why having competent defense is a vital right everyone should have.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:17 am to bott18240
No matter how detestable someone is, they should get an adequate legal defense. I would have no issue doing it, assuming the client never told me if they did it.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:17 am to bott18240
Necessary function in balanced legal system is what I have been told when asking similar question.
Intellectually and structurally, I understand this. However, personally, I just found not reconcile knowing/believing my client committed a heinous crime and my job, that which is to ensure they remain at large in society.
Not sure if failed system and/or lawyer’s soul but pretty sure it is at least one of those.
Intellectually and structurally, I understand this. However, personally, I just found not reconcile knowing/believing my client committed a heinous crime and my job, that which is to ensure they remain at large in society.
Not sure if failed system and/or lawyer’s soul but pretty sure it is at least one of those.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:18 am to bott18240
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Lawyers: how can anyone with a conscience put work into helping someone like Kohberger?
There's some lawyers who have no shame or dignity. Just look at Gordon and his shameless bible quotes - which just for the record is the sleaziest, lowest, classless possible thing I've ever seen a lawyer do.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:45 am to bott18240
Everyone is entitled to a defense. That's what makes our judicial system work.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:47 am to bott18240
Pesky constitution demanding innocence until proven guilty.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:49 am to bott18240
“Even a goddamn werewolf is entitled legal counsel” — Oscar zeta Acosta
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:53 am to bott18240
quote:and its the prosecutions job to prove it beyond reasonable doubt
It seems pretty obvious he was the guy
Every single person is presumed innocent and has the right to an attorney. I would represent him to the best of my abilities and sleep like a baby every night
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:54 am to bott18240
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