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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:49 pm to Centinel
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:49 pm to Centinel
Big Ukrainian offensive in the east
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Russian telegram claims five Ukrainian brigades are moving in on Izyum from the north, looking to directly cut off supply lines to the bulk of the Russian forces in the Izyum salient... For context, a Ukrainian brigade is around 1,600 troops and 200 armored vehicles. If these reports are correct, we’re talking about 1,000 armored vehicles, and a metric buttload of artillery, raining on Russian positions. Ukraine had 20 brigades pre-war, with another four in reserve, which are likely already in action... So five brigades would be a massive commitment of forces.
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The Pentagon have said Russia has 19 BTGs in reserve in Belgorod, so why weren’t they rushed to Kharkiv to defend their supply lines? If there’s anything left in Russia, it’s likely shattered remnants and troops refusing to deploy or redeploy.
Now, with Russia already at its limits, Ukraine is taking direct aim at the largest concentration of Russian forces in Ukraine... 20-25% of Russia’s entire Army is in that pocket... Something big is happening. Ukraine is going straight for the jugular.
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Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:51 pm to Mo Jeaux
He's a copy pasta bot. It's sad
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:55 pm to Malik Agar
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Please post what I've said about biden here!
You're entire poliboard post history is one gigantic Biden bitch fest.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 7:57 pm to Malik Agar
It’s good to see the Ukrainians on the offensive, I know they were getting new artillery that would give them significant range advantage over the Russian troops. Do these units have the new long range artillery? That would make this push very interesting if so.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:04 pm to Centinel
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If trump was in office right now, you'd be 100% team Ukraine. Bigly.
I thought we were refraining from political discussion?
By the way, Trump was in office for 4 recent years and Putin didn’t do shite with him in Office. All it took was an incompetent Democrat to take charge again and they picked up where they left off with Crimea.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:10 pm to Stidham8
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By the way, Trump was in office for 4 recent years and Putin didn’t do shite with him in Office.
Word of advice. If you're arguing that Trump wasn't a Putin puppet (which I most certainly think he was not, and anyone who does is a loon), this is not the way you argue that point of view.
Dictators generally don't attack their puppets as long as they're staying in line. And I'm sure you're not saying Trump was a Putin puppet staying in line, hence why we heard nothing from Putin for four years. Because that would be rather stupid.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:19 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Why is this one so important?
After the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine had a shitload of Soviet nuclear weapons. In fact, they had the third-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. Nobody wanted that many nukes in the hands of a fledgling government, so an agreement was made: Ukraine would hand over its nuclear weapons to Russia. In exchange, Russia agreed to respect Ukrainian sovereignty and existing borders. The US agreed to provide security assistance in the event that Russia broke their end of the deal - which, obviously, they did.
Since 2014, we have been holding up our end of the deal that we made to get Ukraine to hand over those nukes. If Ukraine prevails, it greatly strengthens our credibility in future non-proliferation agreements. If Ukraine falls but we did all we could do short of direct warfare, at least we can say we lived up to our word. If Ukraine falls and we bail on them entirely, it’s going to be much more difficult to negotiate non-proliferation deals in the future.
That’s the crux of the issue. The rest - promoting global stability by punishing expansion in Europe, increased market share for American LNG exports, creating another long-term ally in eastern Europe, (hopefully) undermining Putin’s 20+ year dictatorship in Russia, etc. - is lagniappe.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:20 pm to Stidham8
quote:because he didnt need to
By the way, Trump was in office for 4 recent years and Putin didn’t do shite with him in Office
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:21 pm to lostinbr
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After the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine had a shitload of Soviet nuclear weapons. In fact, they had the third-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. Nobody wanted that many nukes in the hands of a fledgling government, so an agreement was made: Ukraine would hand over its nuclear weapons to Russia. In exchange, Russia agreed to respect Ukrainian sovereignty and existing borders. The US agreed to provide security assistance in the event that Russia broke their end of the deal - which, obviously, they did.
Since 2014, we have been holding up our end of the deal that we made to get Ukraine to hand over those nukes. If Ukraine prevails, it greatly strengthens our credibility in future non-proliferation agreements. If Ukraine falls but we did all we could do short of direct warfare, at least we can say we lived up to our word. If Ukraine falls and we bail on them entirely, it’s going to be much more difficult to negotiate non-proliferation deals in the future.
That’s the crux of the issue. The rest - promoting global stability by punishing expansion in Europe, increased market share for American LNG exports, creating another long-term ally in eastern Europe, (hopefully) undermining Putin’s 20+ year dictatorship in Russia, etc. - is lagniappe.
Pay attention to this trolls. This is what understanding of history and geopolitics means.
Ukraine gave up their nuclear capabilities for a guaranteed border. Russia violated that agreement. Period. There is no excuse for what's going on now.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:23 pm to Centinel
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Word of advice. If you're arguing that Trump wasn't a Putin puppet (which I most certainly think he was not, and anyone who does is a loon), this is not the way you argue that point of view. Dictators generally don't attack their puppets as long as they're staying in line. And I'm sure you're not saying Trump was a Putin puppet staying in line, hence why we heard nothing from Putin for four years. Because that would be rather stupid.
Glad you aren’t a loon in that sense, at least. But that logic sure is loony.
You don’t attack an enemy if you’re scared of them, which Putin certainly was. Go watch Trump’s comments on what he told Vladimir if he attacked Ukraine.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:24 pm to StormyMcMan
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Guess that means the war is over then
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:25 pm to Stidham8
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You don’t attack an enemy if you’re scared of them, which Putin certainly was.
Putin isn't scared of anyone, and never has been. That tends to happen when you're an autocrat with unlimited power. Again, you're knowledge of geopolitical issues and history is....lacking. And it shows.
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:28 pm to Centinel
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Putin isn't scared of anyone, and never has been. That tends to happen when you're an autocrat with unlimited power. Again, you're knowledge of geopolitical issues and history is....lacking. And it shows.
You’re ignoring the part of what I said about what Trump told Putin. Which was entirely why he waited until a weak democrat was back in office.
It’s no coincidence that Russian troops popped up on the Ukraine border within a year of Trump leaving office.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:31 pm to Mr Happy
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Mr Happy
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Big Ukrainian offensive in the east
Ya'll please try to post information on this in the coming days. This will be damn interesting to see how it plays out.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:31 pm to lostinbr
Agree with all of this but it’s also a fantastic showcase of American tech which evidently is decades ahead of Russia. Watch so many previously Russian customers start ordering American stuff. The 40B will feel like a drop in the ocean eventually
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:37 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Certain people in this thread are unable to comprehend second and third order affects geopolitically. Which is rather funny, because it's the same thing they accuse their opponents of doing domestically.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:44 pm to Centinel
I think they’ve equated Russian failure to their personal and political beliefs. Which is non-sensical. American foreign military policy is agnostic of party which is a huge reason for the success. We always protect our global interests, as we should!
This post was edited on 5/14/22 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:45 pm to Centinel
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This war has the benefit of three things: one, makes Russia look like paper tiger they are. Two, has gotten Sweden and Finland to get off the fence. Three, has show China they don't want to frick with the west anytime soon.
100% agree, I just can’t decide if an unintended consequence we see as a victory today is China adjusts and moves at a time much less convenient for the west, and most specifically us. We have growing and very severe underlying economic and societal issues. If we delayed their debut on the global stage with the big boys 10-20 years I fear that helps them far more than us.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:47 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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American foreign military policy is agnostic of party which is a huge reason for the success. We always protect our global interests, as we should!
The funny part about it is that Democrats historically have been less on this. Much to the wailing and nashing of teeth from Republicans (and in some cases rightly so). So now a Democrat takes a very measured stand against Russia, the right loses their goddamn minds.
Tribalist stupidity at its finest.
Posted on 5/14/22 at 8:49 pm to Mr Happy
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Russian telegram claims five Ukrainian brigades are moving in on Izyum from the north, looking to directly cut off supply lines to the bulk of the Russian forces in the Izyum salient... For context, a Ukrainian brigade is around 1,600 troops and 200 armored vehicles. If these reports are correct, we’re talking about 1,000 armored vehicles, and a metric buttload of artillery, raining on Russian positions. Ukraine had 20 brigades pre-war, with another four in reserve, which are likely already in action... So five brigades would be a massive commitment of forces.
quote: The Pentagon have said Russia has 19 BTGs in reserve in Belgorod, so why weren’t they rushed to Kharkiv to defend their supply lines? If there’s anything left in Russia, it’s likely shattered remnants and troops refusing to deploy or redeploy. Now, with Russia already at its limits, Ukraine is taking direct aim at the largest concentration of Russian forces in Ukraine... 20-25% of Russia’s entire Army is in that pocket... Something big is happening. Ukraine is going straight for the jugular.
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