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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98536 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:34 pm to
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Visegrád 24

@visegrad24

The Dmitrievsky Chemical Plant near Moscow is on fire & beyond saving. It’s one of Russia’s largest manufacturers of chemical solvents. The Aerospace Defence Research Institute in Tver burned down earlier in the day. We are starting to notice a pattern


Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30450 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:36 pm to
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If Ukraine survives more or less intact with the same government in place they will be at the top of the pyramid in terms of political corruption.


Fixed
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9915 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

We are starting to notice a pattern


Damn those Black Sea storms again.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:41 pm to
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Do not the Russians have tactical air




Yeah they are more suited to bombing civilians in Syria than a competitive battlefield. They suck but I think the real problem is the new Stingers are really, really good and the Russians dont have the technology to defeat them.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6586 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

If Ukraine survives more or less intact with the same government in place they will be at the top of the pyramid in terms of political corruption.

Fixed
A proper post fix.

Prior to this Russian Civil War, Ukraine was regularly listed among the 30 most corrupt countries on the planet, along with Russia.

Receipt: LINK
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:55 pm to
Aahhh, look what has slithered out of the PT.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3024 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

You think the US has any submarines in the black sea


Earlier in the thread we were talking about the Bosporus strait in Turkey, which has a minimum depth of 43 ft, which is too shallow to sneak in a US sub submerged.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15383 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:58 pm to
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Prior to this Russian Civil War, Ukraine was regularly listed among the 30 most corrupt countries on the planet, along with Russia.


Is the US on that list?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Prior to this Russian Civil War,


Decent, but you could have worked in "globalist", "Soros" or "nazi's".
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15383 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:02 pm to
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SoFla Tideroller


You come here from the PoliBoard world with your simplistic views? It's a good forum and you should remain there and not pollute this one. We live in the real world here where all countries have some degree of corruption.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36473 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

quote: If Ukraine survives more or less intact with the same government in place they will be at the top of the pyramid in terms of political corruption. Fixed


Now do the country that’s had the same guy in charge for the last 20+ years and allowed his cronies to embezzle away the military budget.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36431 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:13 pm to
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Prior to this Russian Civil War, Ukraine was regularly listed among the 30 most corrupt countries on the planet, along with Russia.

Receipt: LINK


According to the link you provided they aren’t in the bottom 30 on the list.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
3782 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:26 pm to
How,.. How dare you speak the truth about our little friend.
I am for Ukraine but this is 100% correct, like water is wet.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22373 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:29 pm to
I don’t really get the people that bash Ukraine for corruption… they’ve spent centuries under Russian/USSR rule… corruption was the only way anything got done. Their people want to move away from that and closer to the west… where transparency in gov is much more commonplace.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
15383 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:34 pm to
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I don’t really get the people that bash Ukraine for corruption

They believe this shite just like people believed Trump was a Russian agent.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145338 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:39 pm to
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where transparency in gov is much more commonplace.


except in the US where our political elite uses wayfair to run a child sex operation through a take out pizza place
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
5688 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:47 pm to
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US submarines…in the Black Sea.


I believe the standard Navy response is: “It Never Happened. We Were Never There.”

You can bet there’s at least one on station in the eastern Mediterranean at the southern end of The Dardanelles 24/7.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 4:01 pm to
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The Dmitrievsky Chemical Plant near Moscow is on fire & beyond saving.


Gosh ya hate to see Russia losing infrastructure like that.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3783 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 4:01 pm to
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I believe the standard Navy response is: “It Never Happened. We Were Never There.”

You can bet there’s at least one on station in the eastern Mediterranean at the southern end of The Dardanelles 24/7.


I found this article from Feb 12 2022

quote:

Rostov-na-Donu will transit Bosphorus tomorrow morning and enter the Black Sea. Following the deployment of Rostov-na-Donu, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will have four improved Kilo-class submarines equipped with Kalibr land-attack missiles in the Black Sea. According to the OSINT reports, the Black Sea Fleet’s other two Project 636.3 submarines (B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar) are currently in Russia’s Tartous Naval Base in Syria.

LINK

With that said, the US did have naval ships in the Black Sea as recently as Nov of 2021
quote:

On 29 January 2021, three US naval vessels entered the Black Sea for the first time in three years.[71] On 1 February, the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky argued for NATO membership for Ukraine.[72] On 19 March, another significant US naval deployment to the Black Sea took place, as cruiser USS Monterey and destroyer USS Thomas Hudner entered the sea on 19 and 20 March respectively.[73][74] Prior to the scheduled deployment, on 12 March Russian cruiser Moskva made an exit to sea and on 19 March all six submarines of the Black Sea Fleet went to sea, which was an unprecedented event.[75][76]

Russian ground forces also started a buildup on the border with Ukraine. On 2 April, Zelensky had his first telephone conversation with Biden, and on 6 April he called NATO's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg pressuring NATO to speed up Ukrainian path to the membership.[77] On 8 April, Russia started moving ten of its Caspian Flotilla warships to the Black Sea. Six amphibious and three artillery boats of Serna and Shmel classes, as well as a hydrographic boat GS-599, were reported in transit, while Black Sea Fleet frigate Admiral Essen conducted an artillery exercise, usually done to raise the readiness for the amphibious landing.[78][79][80][81][82] The same day, the US decided to send two warships to the Black Sea.[83]

On 9 April 2021, tensions rose further and Ukraine promised not to attack the separatists, while Russia considered intervening to prevent bloodshed.[84][85] On the same day, two Black Sea Fleet corvettes, Vishny Volochyok and Gravoron, conducted an exercise.[86] The two US destroyers were clarified by Turkey to be USS Roosevelt and USS Donald Cook, while Putin stressed the importance of the Montreux Convention in a telephone conversation with Turkish president Recep Erdogan.[87][88] On 14 April, the deployment of the two US destroyers was cancelled.[89] On 17 April, amphibious ships Aleksandr Otrakovsky and Kondoponga of the Northern Fleet and Kaliningrad and Korolyov of the Baltic Fleet strengthened the amphibious warfare capabilities of the Black Sea Fleet.[90] On 30 April, the cruiser Moskva fired a Vulkan anti-ship missile for the first time.[91]

In November, further tensions started amidst the build-up of Russian ground forces on the Ukraine border. On 2 November, the destroyer USS Porter[92] entered the Black Sea, followed on 25 November by the destroyer USS Arleigh Burke.[93] In late October, the Russian Black Sea fleet held a large exercise with a cruiser, a frigate and three corvettes.[94]

LINK
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43443 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 4:05 pm to
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Prior to this Russian Civil War


So when one sovereign nation invades another it’s a civil war?

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