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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:34 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:34 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
The Dmitrievsky Chemical Plant near Moscow is on fire & beyond saving. It’s one of Russia’s largest manufacturers of chemical solvents. The Aerospace Defence Research Institute in Tver burned down earlier in the day. We are starting to notice a pattern
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:36 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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If Ukraine survives more or less intact with the same government in place they will be at the top of the pyramid in terms of political corruption.
Fixed
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:36 pm to Jim Rockford
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We are starting to notice a pattern
Damn those Black Sea storms again.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:41 pm to beachdude
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Do not the Russians have tactical air
Yeah they are more suited to bombing civilians in Syria than a competitive battlefield. They suck but I think the real problem is the new Stingers are really, really good and the Russians dont have the technology to defeat them.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:51 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:A proper post fix.
If Ukraine survives more or less intact with the same government in place they will be at the top of the pyramid in terms of political corruption.
Fixed
Prior to this Russian Civil War, Ukraine was regularly listed among the 30 most corrupt countries on the planet, along with Russia.
Receipt: LINK
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:55 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Aahhh, look what has slithered out of the PT.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:58 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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You think the US has any submarines in the black sea
Earlier in the thread we were talking about the Bosporus strait in Turkey, which has a minimum depth of 43 ft, which is too shallow to sneak in a US sub submerged.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:58 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Prior to this Russian Civil War, Ukraine was regularly listed among the 30 most corrupt countries on the planet, along with Russia.
Is the US on that list?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:00 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Prior to this Russian Civil War,
Decent, but you could have worked in "globalist", "Soros" or "nazi's".
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:02 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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SoFla Tideroller
You come here from the PoliBoard world with your simplistic views? It's a good forum and you should remain there and not pollute this one. We live in the real world here where all countries have some degree of corruption.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:09 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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quote: If Ukraine survives more or less intact with the same government in place they will be at the top of the pyramid in terms of political corruption. Fixed
Now do the country that’s had the same guy in charge for the last 20+ years and allowed his cronies to embezzle away the military budget.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:13 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Prior to this Russian Civil War, Ukraine was regularly listed among the 30 most corrupt countries on the planet, along with Russia.
Receipt: LINK
According to the link you provided they aren’t in the bottom 30 on the list.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:26 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
How,.. How dare you speak the truth about our little friend.
I am for Ukraine but this is 100% correct, like water is wet.
I am for Ukraine but this is 100% correct, like water is wet.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:29 pm to doubleb
I don’t really get the people that bash Ukraine for corruption… they’ve spent centuries under Russian/USSR rule… corruption was the only way anything got done. Their people want to move away from that and closer to the west… where transparency in gov is much more commonplace.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:34 pm to lowspark12
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I don’t really get the people that bash Ukraine for corruption
They believe this shite just like people believed Trump was a Russian agent.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:39 pm to lowspark12
quote:except in the US where our political elite uses wayfair to run a child sex operation through a take out pizza place
where transparency in gov is much more commonplace.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 3:47 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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US submarines…in the Black Sea.
I believe the standard Navy response is: “It Never Happened. We Were Never There.”
You can bet there’s at least one on station in the eastern Mediterranean at the southern end of The Dardanelles 24/7.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 4:01 pm to Jim Rockford
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The Dmitrievsky Chemical Plant near Moscow is on fire & beyond saving.
Gosh ya hate to see Russia losing infrastructure like that.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 4:01 pm to beachdude
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I believe the standard Navy response is: “It Never Happened. We Were Never There.”
You can bet there’s at least one on station in the eastern Mediterranean at the southern end of The Dardanelles 24/7.
I found this article from Feb 12 2022
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Rostov-na-Donu will transit Bosphorus tomorrow morning and enter the Black Sea. Following the deployment of Rostov-na-Donu, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will have four improved Kilo-class submarines equipped with Kalibr land-attack missiles in the Black Sea. According to the OSINT reports, the Black Sea Fleet’s other two Project 636.3 submarines (B-262 Stary Oskol, B-265 Krasnodar) are currently in Russia’s Tartous Naval Base in Syria.
LINK
With that said, the US did have naval ships in the Black Sea as recently as Nov of 2021
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On 29 January 2021, three US naval vessels entered the Black Sea for the first time in three years.[71] On 1 February, the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky argued for NATO membership for Ukraine.[72] On 19 March, another significant US naval deployment to the Black Sea took place, as cruiser USS Monterey and destroyer USS Thomas Hudner entered the sea on 19 and 20 March respectively.[73][74] Prior to the scheduled deployment, on 12 March Russian cruiser Moskva made an exit to sea and on 19 March all six submarines of the Black Sea Fleet went to sea, which was an unprecedented event.[75][76]
Russian ground forces also started a buildup on the border with Ukraine. On 2 April, Zelensky had his first telephone conversation with Biden, and on 6 April he called NATO's Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg pressuring NATO to speed up Ukrainian path to the membership.[77] On 8 April, Russia started moving ten of its Caspian Flotilla warships to the Black Sea. Six amphibious and three artillery boats of Serna and Shmel classes, as well as a hydrographic boat GS-599, were reported in transit, while Black Sea Fleet frigate Admiral Essen conducted an artillery exercise, usually done to raise the readiness for the amphibious landing.[78][79][80][81][82] The same day, the US decided to send two warships to the Black Sea.[83]
On 9 April 2021, tensions rose further and Ukraine promised not to attack the separatists, while Russia considered intervening to prevent bloodshed.[84][85] On the same day, two Black Sea Fleet corvettes, Vishny Volochyok and Gravoron, conducted an exercise.[86] The two US destroyers were clarified by Turkey to be USS Roosevelt and USS Donald Cook, while Putin stressed the importance of the Montreux Convention in a telephone conversation with Turkish president Recep Erdogan.[87][88] On 14 April, the deployment of the two US destroyers was cancelled.[89] On 17 April, amphibious ships Aleksandr Otrakovsky and Kondoponga of the Northern Fleet and Kaliningrad and Korolyov of the Baltic Fleet strengthened the amphibious warfare capabilities of the Black Sea Fleet.[90] On 30 April, the cruiser Moskva fired a Vulkan anti-ship missile for the first time.[91]
In November, further tensions started amidst the build-up of Russian ground forces on the Ukraine border. On 2 November, the destroyer USS Porter[92] entered the Black Sea, followed on 25 November by the destroyer USS Arleigh Burke.[93] In late October, the Russian Black Sea fleet held a large exercise with a cruiser, a frigate and three corvettes.[94]
LINK
Posted on 4/21/22 at 4:05 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Prior to this Russian Civil War
So when one sovereign nation invades another it’s a civil war?
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