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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:33 am to Centinel
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:33 am to Centinel
The Poles are trading in their T72s (to Ukraine) for more Abrams which they already have.
The addition of the mobil 155s and the armor is a game changer. Its easier to play defense, will be interesting to see if the Ukrainians can push the Russians around.
The addition of the mobil 155s and the armor is a game changer. Its easier to play defense, will be interesting to see if the Ukrainians can push the Russians around.
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Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:46 am to Decatur
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JackDetsch NEW: Ukraine has more tanks available in country than Russia, thanks to European deliveries of Soviet-era T-72 tanks: senior defense official
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:04 pm to Centinel
This is much better. These tanks can go straight to work where the Abrams may come insufficient numbers to move the needle. The long term effect will be a NATO ring of former Soviet states with all the latest and greatest US tech.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:10 pm to Athanatos
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The long term affect will be a NATO ring of former Soviet states with all the latest and greatest US tech.
A very nice secondary effect and money we would have spent anyway.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:15 pm to Lakeboy7
Has this been posted yet?
@space_osint
Being reported by some outlets today, but hasn't been publicly confirmed by the US.
@space_osint
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A US Navy P-8 Poseidon aircraft was reportedly tracking Moskva shortly before it was attacked.
Sources claimed that the marine patrol aircraft used its sea-surface radar and sonar buoys to provide weapons-quality tracks to Ukrainian forces, who targeted and sunk the ship. LINK
Being reported by some outlets today, but hasn't been publicly confirmed by the US.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:23 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Sources claimed that the marine patrol aircraft used its sea-surface radar and sonar buoys to provide weapons-quality tracks to Ukrainian forces, who targeted and sunk the ship. LINK
The Moskva was in international waters which means it is subject to tracking so.........................
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:27 pm to LegendInMyMind
Probably not a lie that US is passing ship locations to Ukraine, but irresponsible reporting to start highlighting this shiite in this way. It makes it look like the Neptune missiles were being guided by a P-8 generated firing solution which I don’t think is the case.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:36 pm to Lakeboy7
That one part is pure BS though - you wouldn’t use and/or need sonar buoys to track a surface ship, especially one that large. Radar signatures are more than enough to keep an eye on that thing.
A neighboring submarine would track via sonar but that’s just because radar doesn’t work underwater.
It’s like if you put an alarm clock on a pedestal on a gun range and let the it ring. The ring makes no difference in your ability to shoot the clock unless you were forced to try it with your eyes closed. A submarine has to use the ring because their are no other options (they don’t have eyes) but for a land based missile radar is just as good as eyes and the sound is meaningless noise.
A neighboring submarine would track via sonar but that’s just because radar doesn’t work underwater.
It’s like if you put an alarm clock on a pedestal on a gun range and let the it ring. The ring makes no difference in your ability to shoot the clock unless you were forced to try it with your eyes closed. A submarine has to use the ring because their are no other options (they don’t have eyes) but for a land based missile radar is just as good as eyes and the sound is meaningless noise.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:37 pm to BRIllini07
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t irresponsible reporting to start highlighting this shiite in this way. It makes it look like the Neptune missiles were being guided by a P-8 generated firing solution which I don’t think is the case.
Guarantee that the reporting was told this purposefully
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:41 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Has this been posted yet?
@space_osint
quote:
A US Navy P-8 Poseidon aircraft was reportedly tracking Moskva shortly before it was attacked.
Sources claimed that the marine patrol aircraft used its sea-surface radar and sonar buoys to provide weapons-quality tracks to Ukrainian forces, who targeted and sunk the ship. LINK
Being reported by some outlets today, but hasn't been publicly confirmed by the US.
I have ZERO problem with us helping Ukraine out in this way.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:43 pm to Tigeralum2008
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@space_osint
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A US Navy P-8 Poseidon aircraft was reportedly tracking Moskva shortly before it was attacked.
Sources claimed that the marine patrol aircraft used its sea-surface radar and sonar buoys to provide weapons-quality tracks to Ukrainian forces, who targeted and sunk the ship. LINK
Being reported by some outlets today, but hasn't been publicly confirmed by the US.
I have ZERO problem with us helping Ukraine out in this way.
If can’t be true. The Moskva caught fire and sank in rough seas. People here say you watch too much CNN.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 12:52 pm to doubleb
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If can’t be true. The Moskva caught fire and sank in rough seas. People here say you watch too much CNN.
Actually I'm hearing one of the crewman on the P8 threw a cigarette butt out the window and caught the Moscow weapons storage on fire.
*I'm not buying the sonar buoys being used to fix a surface ship so that may be embellished but I can see us sending a fixed coordinate(s) for a surface vessel.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 4/21/22 at 1:52 pm to Lakeboy7
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mobil(e) 155s and …armor…game changer
Do not the Russians have tactical air, or are they that backward? The Ukrainians have no air force. It seems strange to me that Russia is using tactics that do not incorporate that component. It’s been around for 75 years. All those handheld SAMs must be an incredible deterrent to possibly losing expensive airplanes and helicopters. That begs the question: why build them?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:05 pm to AU86
I have a question for the board:
If Ukraine survives this, do you see them being invited and/or being granted membership to Nato? What are the chances of that happening?
If Ukraine survives this, do you see them being invited and/or being granted membership to Nato? What are the chances of that happening?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:06 pm to BRIllini07
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A neighboring submarine would track via sonar but that’s just because radar doesn’t work underwater.
You think the US has any submarines in the Black Sea?
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:06 pm to Lakeboy7
I don't think the Russians planned this out well at all or knew what they were getting themselves into. I think Putin thought he was going to scare Ukraine into surrendering within the 1st week. When the opposite happened they started shitting bricks. And with the west funneling weapons left and right it's gotten even worst. They resulting to just bombing buildings and killing civilians because they can't get a upper hand on the Ukraine Army. Plus I think the morale is not there for most of Russia's army. A lot of propaganda seems to have been used to get their troops to go down there to fight. You know it's bad when they over there bringing in Syrian fighters to help. And considering their famous "bravery" and how well those middle easterners fight it might get even worst for the Russians.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:17 pm to Vlatket
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The Dmitrievsky Chemical Plant near Moscow is on fire & beyond saving.
It’s one of Russia’s largest manufacturers of chemical solvents.
The Aerospace Defence Research Institute in Tver burned down earlier in the day.
We are starting to notice a pattern.
LINK
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:18 pm to AU86
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I have a question for the board:
If Ukraine survives this, do you see them being invited and/or being granted membership to Nato? What are the chances of that happening?
EU, yes. NATO, no.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:19 pm to AU86
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If Ukraine survives this, do you see them being invited and/or being granted membership to Nato? What are the chances of that happening?
If Ukraine survives more or less intact with the same government in place they will be at the top of the pyramid in terms of moxie. They will have defeated the vestiges of the old Soviet Union. The EU will want them. They are close to being armed in the manner that a NATO country should be in terms of munitions and material. NATO membership may be in the cards depending on what remains of the Russian military. Russia may still be able to threaten NATO countries about the whole Ukraine in NATO thing.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 2:34 pm to StormyMcMan
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U.S Intelligence and Defense Officials now believe that after the Delivery of an Unannounced number of T-72 Main Battle Tanks from multiple European Countries that the Ukrainian Military now currently Operates more Tanks within Ukraine than the Russian Military does.
LINK
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