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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:02 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:02 pm to northshorebamaman
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Some of these guys think of war like a game of Risk, moving inanimate pieces of known quantity around a table while completely discounting less glamorous aspects like logistics, morale, training, and retention. Read the earlier post where the guy said he would "simply" mobilize a million men if he were Putin, for a great example.
They're civilians with no military background, yet act like they know what they're talking about.
Then they'll respond with "you were just a grunt" or "you were just a peon".
Maybe I am just a peon, but this peon spent two years working at the COCOM (EUCOM specifically) level on over ten different CONPLANs. Gives you a bit of perspective on what it takes to fight a war.
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:04 pm to northshorebamaman
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The aggressor loses advantage of time, they don't gain it. Some of these guys think of war like a game of Risk, moving inanimate pieces of known quantity around a table while completely discounting less glamorous aspects like logistics, morale, training, and retention. Read the earlier post where the guy said he would "simply" mobilize a million men if he were Putin, for a great exam
Ukraine is already in the process of mobilizing 900,000 reserve troops and conscripts. Plus Ukraine has open rail and road connections from its borders with NATO countries, it’s supply depos and the front lines.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:05 pm to WeeWee
Iuliia Mendel
@IuliiaMendel
U.S. IS PROVIDING 60,000 ANTI-ARMOR WEAPONS TO UKRAINE: Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
@IuliiaMendel
U.S. IS PROVIDING 60,000 ANTI-ARMOR WEAPONS TO UKRAINE: Army General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:13 pm to Centinel
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Maybe I am just a peon, but this peon spent two years working at the COCOM (EUCOM specifically) level on over ten different CONPLANs. Gives you a bit of perspective on what it takes to fight a war.
So, we pretty much know everything for both sides is moving to the Donbas. What happens if Russia does actually lose this battle? What do you think Putin does? Is there a scenario where Russia loses this war and Putin is removed somehow? Just not seeing how this war ends well.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 1:21 pm to ridlejs
Putin is dumb if he doesn’t keep a significant force in range of Kyiv to tie down as many Ukrainian units as possible there.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:15 pm to TacoNash
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U.S. IS PROVIDING 60,000 ANTI-ARMOR WEAPONS TO UKRAINE
Send anti-ship missiles to Odesa.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:20 pm to northshorebamaman
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said he would "simply" mobilize a million men if he were Putin
Half wouldnt show up and you dont want the half that does.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:25 pm to Lakeboy7
Agreed, and then there's the question about what he would equip them with, more Mosin's?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:26 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Putin is dumb if he doesn’t keep a significant force in range of Kyiv to tie down as many Ukrainian units as possible there.
Looks like that's kinda what he did. They pulled back to Belarus and Russia and have continued to bomb Kharviv and Volynsky. Haven't seen reports of bomb sirens in Kyiv but did see this.
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The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
??Ukraine’s military: 16 sabotage groups caught in Kyiv in past 2 days.
Oleksandr Hruzevych, deputy chief of staff of Ukraine’s Ground Forces, said that some of the members of the sabotage and reconnaissance groups are recruited Ukrainians.
LINK
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Putin is dumb if he doesn’t keep a significant force in range of Kyiv to tie down as many Ukrainian units as possible there.
Based on the first month’s worth of fighting, I would argue that Putin’s ppl are dumb.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:44 pm to junkfunky
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Looks like that's kinda what he did. They pulled back to Belarus and Russia and have continued to bomb Kharviv and Volynsky. Haven't seen reports of bomb sirens in Kyiv but did see this.
True but most of the armor and equipment that those troops didn’t leave in Ukraine is on trains heading in the direction of the Donbas per open source intelligence.
Plus Ukraine has relatively direct railroad and road routes from Kyiv to the fronts on the east. It is roughly 730km from Kyiv to the front in the donbass. Russia has to move its troops and equipment from around Gomel and Mazry im Belarus down a two lane highway within artillery range of the Ukrainian border, or send its troops and equipment by road and/or rail to Minsk => Moscow => the Donbas. That’s about twice the distance as Ukrainian logistics route.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:52 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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I have a Ukrainian co-worker who believes the Ukrainian soldiers and fighters are so upset now that even Zelensky can’t call them off if there is a settlement of some sort. As much as the Russians won’t stop, the Ukrainians don’t care about a enduring war either
Haven't thought about this. Those guys in the thick of it may not give up. Fighting if there is an agreement made and Russians don't leave quickly... Ride or die ya know.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:56 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
Germany has radio intercepts of Russian troops talking about atrocities LINK
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:08 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Ukraine has been supplied with 60,000 anti-tank weapons and 25,000 anti-aircraft weapons
Damn, that is an NLAW in every pot and a MANPAD in every garage.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:15 pm to Jim Rockford
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Germany has radio intercepts of Russian troops talking about atrocities
Oh man, thats what happens when you use walkie talkies
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:21 pm to RLDSC FAN
Fact Sheet: U.S. Security Assistance to Ukraine
United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:
Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
Over 5,000 Javelin anti-armor systems;
Over 7,000 other anti-armor systems;
Hundreds of Switchblade Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
Over 7,000 small arms;
Over 50,000,000 rounds of ammunition;
45,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
Laser-guided rocket systems;
Puma Unmanned Aerial Systems;
Four counter-artillery and counter-unmanned aerial system tracking radars;
Four counter-mortar radar systems;
Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, and optics;
Tactical secure communications systems;
Commercial satellite imagery services;
Explosive ordnance disposal protective gear;
Medical supplies to include first aid kits.
DoD Link
United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:
Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
Over 5,000 Javelin anti-armor systems;
Over 7,000 other anti-armor systems;
Hundreds of Switchblade Tactical Unmanned Aerial Systems;
Over 7,000 small arms;
Over 50,000,000 rounds of ammunition;
45,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
Laser-guided rocket systems;
Puma Unmanned Aerial Systems;
Four counter-artillery and counter-unmanned aerial system tracking radars;
Four counter-mortar radar systems;
Armored High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles;
Night vision devices, thermal imagery systems, and optics;
Tactical secure communications systems;
Commercial satellite imagery services;
Explosive ordnance disposal protective gear;
Medical supplies to include first aid kits.
DoD Link
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:25 pm to cypher
Ammo prices bout to skyrocket if you can find any. Should buy me some brass futures.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:43 pm to Vito Andolini
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Russia has time on its side. It is the aggressor with greater resources. Russia can disengage anywhere it wants along the front, reallocate resources, and go on the attack again. It has complete command of Black Sea coast and generally has air superiority. Russian can sit back and spend the next six months concentrating on degrading the ability of the Ukrainian armed forces. Russia does not have to win the war this month or even this year, it simply has to win.
Russias economy is in the shitter despite being the aggressor and away team. The war has absolutely not gone as they expected. They don’t have more resources than Ukraine because Ukraine has basically the whole west supplying them with superior tech and intelligence. Ukraine is motivated, Russia is not domestically. Russia doesn’t have quality resources. The longer this goes, the worse it is for them, not better.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 5:19 pm to DabosDynasty
Russia does have more people though. Eventually Ukraine is gonna start running short of dudes that are physically capable of carrying a javelin around the woods
And the javelin is a thicc bitch to be lugging around
And the javelin is a thicc bitch to be lugging around
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 5:44 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Eventually Ukraine is gonna start running short of dudes that are physically capable of carrying a javelin around the woods
I think Putin will run out of tanks before Ukraine runs outta baws to tote Javelins.
ETA: On a separate note, there's been reports of Raytheon and Lockheed execs masturbating themselves to death.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 5:46 pm
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