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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:12 am to
Posted by TexasForever
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:12 am to
It looks like things are about to heat back up around Mykolaiv.


Posted by TexasForever
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:20 am to
I guess when they realized they couldn't even take a surrounded Chernihiv, Kyiv was a little too ambitious.

This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 7:21 am
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32866 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:24 am to
Was just about to post that.

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@michaeldweiss
Should be read as Ukraine is "radically" reducing Russia's military offensive near Kyiv and Moscow wants you to think this is all part of the plan.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:32 am to
Gotta save face somehow since they weren’t met with parades and flowers like they were told
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:40 am to
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Negotiations in #Turkey ended after three hours

David Arahamia told a briefing about the interim results of the negotiations:

??Our first victory was to move the negotiations from #Belarus to Turkey. We see Turkey as one of the security guarantees for #Ukraine.
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?? The #UK, #China, the #US, #Turkey, #France, #Canada, #Italy, #Poland and #Israel can become security guarantors for Ukraine as a result of the negotiations. They will act as part of an international treaty. They will be able to close the skies at #Ukraine's request.
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??The current system of security guarantors is not working, we see this in #Mariupol and #Kharkiv.

??We agreed that all security guarantor countries should not only not hinder our accession to the #EU, but help in this process.
3/3


A few more points from the talks this morning (from Nexta_TV)

ETA: Looks like Ukraine really wants that no-fly zone....
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 7:42 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:58 am to
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Look, I spoke with a retired marine general today. His words “we’d be in a much better place if our government would quit tripping over their own feet”


I don’t understand how politicians can’t learn to think before speaking in public especially when speaking about foreign policy or military. They don’t have to lie or only tell people what the people want to hear, only stick to the talking points, etc. Just think about what you are going to say and how you say it. If you can’t figure out what to say just say “let me get back to you.”
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 7:59 am to
This side https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/ has been tallying all the equipment losses on both sides via social media. Each individual "loss" has been verified. It's the best summary site I've seen to this point.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:11 am to
Any graphics that you guys can post from it would be great, cant get on that site at the moment
Posted by phunkatron
Member since Jun 2019
1444 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:18 am to
Go talk about the border in your own thread if you'd like. You've derailed this one enough.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:23 am to
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Any graphics that you guys can post from it would be great, cant get on that site at the moment


Here is the summary:
Naval Losses as of 3/24
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Russia - 3, of which: destroyed: 1, damaged: 2

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Ukraine - 13, of which: sunk: 2, captured: 11


Aircraft Losses as of 3/20:
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Russia - 70, of which: destroyed: 58, damaged: 4, abandoned: 2, captured: 6

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Ukraine - 22, of which: destroyed: 19, damaged: 1, captured: 2
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34987 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:37 am to
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Attack On Europe: Documenting Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine


Russia - 2050, of which: destroyed: 1019, damaged: 38, abandoned: 233, captured: 760

Ukraine - 574, of which: destroyed: 225, damaged: 16, abandoned: 37, captured: 296


The interesting thing with these numbers is when you look at Ukrainian losses, weighed against what they've captured, it's a net gain for them.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 8:40 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:40 am to
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Just for shits and gigs can you post the source of that photo?


LINK

According to the Washington Examiner, it's a "photo from the European Pressphoto Agency." 100% not photoshopped. It's amazing the legitimacy was even questioned. Anyone paying attention to this president knows this is common for him.
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
26018 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:43 am to
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The interesting thing with these numbers is when you look at Ukrainian losses, weighed against what they've captured, it's a net gain for them.


Farmers doing work!!
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32866 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:45 am to
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Tanks (330, of which destroyed: 144, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 138)


This is a full quarter of the tanks Russia was estimated to have directed to this war effort. I wonder what the real number is.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
66639 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:47 am to
quote:

I don’t understand how politicians can’t learn to think before speaking in public especially when speaking about foreign policy or military. They don’t have to lie or only tell people what the people want to hear, only stick to the talking points, etc. Just think about what you are going to say and how you say it. If you can’t figure out what to say just say “let me get back to you.”


This happens when you have a compliant media that has chosen a side. The "leaders" from that side rarely have to defend their positions or monitor what they say.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:48 am to
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The Russians filmed the first convoy of Ossetians shipping out. The soldiers left in a small convoy of Kamaz trucks decorated Ossetian flags.


Putin had as many as 20,000 Russian troops stationed in the two occupied regions of Georgia. I bet he has had to pull them out and send them to Ukraine. They have been building military stations there and continue to move the border fences from the established lines of 2008 stealing more of Georgia's land.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 8:52 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24392 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:51 am to
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This is a full quarter of the tanks Russia was estimated to have directed to this war effort. I wonder what the real number is.

I'm not sure if this is the same website. And if it is, if they're still doing it, but for every vehicle they claimed destroyed/abandoned/captured they would only count it with photographic evidence. There was a separate page where you could go through and view each individual vehicle/ship/aircraft.

Of course, how they verify the authenticity of each photo...I don't know. I'm sure it isn't a complete and accurate assessment of losses during this war but there is at least something to back up their claims.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 8:54 am
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32866 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:53 am to
I quoted from Oryx.

I see these numbers as the confirmed lower bound. It’s also lagging data. That’s why I wonder what the real number is right now.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 8:57 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24392 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:56 am to
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I quoted from Oryx

Yeah that's it. You can click on each vehicle that it lists and they show you a picture or video of it.
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This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available.

Like I said, not sure how they verify the photos, but it's at least more than just a number pulled from who knows where.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:09 am to
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