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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:36 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:36 pm to LegendInMyMind
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parsimony That's a 7 point word.
Analysis by parsimony is not exactly a methodologically sound way of tackling this, but considering that all we have are innuendo about these “bio labs” (which at present, look like nothing more than a standard research lab you might find in hundred of towns in the US), you have to weed the more fanciful and complicated scenarios that just don’t make a lot of sense.
I come back to my question: why have biological weapons not been used yet in this war? The Ukrainians would have had 20 years to stockpile an arsenal. Not all of them would have been captured. (I assume they would have kept some in Kyiv and other cities that haven’t been captured yet.) They weren’t used in Donbas during the skirmishes against the separatists.
(I anticipate some ad hoc modification to be added by some like “Well, they were told by the Pentagon not to use them in the war ‘cuz it would give away the secret.” Then why develop them in the first place?)
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Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:38 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Well, that doesn't refute what I posted, and that was backed up by quotes directly from the Russian who is leading the negotiations.
This is the first time we have seen both sides approach talks in an optimistic manner without the common posturing that has come to be expected.
That's all my post was referring to.
The aide to Zelensky says their demands are that Russian troops leave Ukrainian land. That’s not going to happen.
Russia is buying more time to resupply and gain a better foothold around Kyiv and other areas.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:38 pm to DabosDynasty
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Which is also to say any single one of those labs anywhere in the world could be weaponized.
Of course. But, that has been a possibilty for as long as we (world collective we) have been studying infectious diseases in a controlled capacity.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:41 pm to LegendInMyMind
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One of Russia’s negotiators says he’s hopeful the progress might grow into agreements to sign in the coming days
This signals the break that Russia must make in acknowledgment of its weakness. Russia would not compromise if it was assured of victory.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:41 pm to UndercoverBryologist
quote:I don’t think that is a good counter argument.
why have biological weapons not been used yet in this war? The Ukrainians would have had 20 years to stockpile an arsenal. Not all of them would have been captured.
It would be naive to believe that the USA has no bioweapons at all, but the argument of “they haven’t used them at all in any war” isn’t exactly a counter to the statement of “they exist”.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:42 pm to LegendInMyMind
Biological/Chemical weapons have never been an efficient means of killing your enemies.
In the history of warfare, they have mainly been used as terror weapons.
In the history of warfare, they have mainly been used as terror weapons.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:44 pm to TBoy
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This signals the break that Russia must make in acknowledgment of its weakness. Russia would not compromise if it was assured of victory.
They haven’t compromised. This literally means nothing.
Right now they’re pouring in thousands of troops, tanks, and artillery into position to cut off Kyiv supply lines from the West.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:44 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Of course. But, that has been a possibilty for as long as we (world collective we) have been studying infectious diseases in a controlled capacity.
My only point is it’s just as easy for them to be nothing as it is something. 2 years on from COVID and all the propaganda, blame game playing, outright lies, and authoritarianism people have every right and, one could argue, duty to be highly skeptical of similar situations. Not insinuating you’re saying we shouldn’t, just making a general point.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:46 pm to LegendInMyMind
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quote:
parsimony
That's a 7 point word.
Probably get more than 7 points in Scrabble for that.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:46 pm to Scruffy
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I don’t think that is a good counter argument.
It would be naive to believe that the USA has no bioweapons at all, but the argument of “they haven’t used them at all in any war” isn’t exactly a counter to the statement of “they exist”.
Look you dream up anything possible and any evidence to refute you will never be enough because you can dream up a whole other scenario that I now have to refute.
The point is, in an 8 year long war with Russia and the separatist, Ukraine must have decided never to have used these weapons despite encroachments on their sovereign territories and despite the expensive investment in capital it would take to set up these labs....or they never had these weapons to begin with.
We are literally reliving the 1-2 years after the Iraq War invasion when Bush supporters were like “Just wait. Those WMDs will show up.”
Posted on 3/13/22 at 12:47 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Excellent piece. Xi is an absolute realist and by now has seen that what Putin promised him last month about a blitzkrieg was just fantasy. What is not fantasy is the fact that this event has shifted global power dynamics more that anything since 1945. In this new order, China will have two options: be allied with the United States and the West or pay the price. And after Ukraine, that price is unaffordable.
Think piece by a Chinese scholar with ties to the government. We can assume it has some kind of official approval and may signal a shift in strategy. TL;DR, China is backing the wrong horse in Putin and needs to get on the winning side.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 1:03 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Excellent piece. Xi is an absolute realist and by now has seen that what Putin promised him last month about a blitzkrieg was just fantasy. What is not fantasy is the fact that this event has shifted global power dynamics more that anything since 1945. In this new order, China will have two options: be allied with the United States and the West or pay the price. And after Ukraine, that price is unaffordable.
Allied is certainly not the term I would use for the relationship b/w U.S. and China. China is not, nor will it ever be “allied” with the United States. China is an economic trading partner with the U.S., but at the same time the United States’ greatest geopolitical rival.
And lol @ be allied or pay the price. What price would that be? What are we gonna do: sanction China? Oh I’m sure they are so super scared of Biden admin.
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What is not fantasy is the fact that this event has shifted global power dynamics more that anything since 1945. In this new order, China will have two options: be allied with the United States and the West or pay the price. And after Ukraine, that price is unaffordable.
You are correct that global power dynamics are shifting, but it ain’t in the United States favor unfortunately.
This post was edited on 3/13/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/13/22 at 1:31 pm to Jim Rockford
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Think piece by a Chinese scholar with ties to the government. We can assume it has some kind of official approval and may signal a shift in strategy. TL;DR, China is backing the wrong horse in Putin and needs to get on the winning side.
That was a good read. Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 1:35 pm to FredBear
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25+ U.S. funded biolabs in Ukraine
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FredBear
Checks out.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 1:41 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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SteelerBravesDawg
Problem?
Posted on 3/13/22 at 1:44 pm to Coeur du Tigre
How that is your view of what is taking place I do not know.
As we speak the majority of OPEC and O+ are working with the Chinese to change their base trading currency to yuan.
Even SA is entering CIPS, side are being chosen before our eyes and they are not on the side of the US
And to say the Chinese are a allie is fricking laughable. They are a true modern day Nazi Germany but way smarter and patiently long sighted.
As we speak the majority of OPEC and O+ are working with the Chinese to change their base trading currency to yuan.
Even SA is entering CIPS, side are being chosen before our eyes and they are not on the side of the US
And to say the Chinese are a allie is fricking laughable. They are a true modern day Nazi Germany but way smarter and patiently long sighted.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 1:57 pm to GREENHEAD22
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As we speak the majority of OPEC and O+ are working with the Chinese to change their base trading currency to yuan.
I do wonder how this will work with as much manipulation as China wreaks on the yuan. yeah I know US does some on dollar as well, but not nearly as much as China on yuan when something is not going according to plan. Should make for some fun financial times coming in future.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:06 pm to PassingThrough
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quote: As we speak the majority of OPEC and O+ are working with the Chinese to change their base trading currency to yuan.
I do wonder how this will work
Yes, we wonder how it will work because it's just paranoid fantasy.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:41 pm to Warfox
Try reading the damn article. The Chinese bureaucrat address all of that.
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:45 pm to PassingThrough
Zelensky walked to a hospital today and visited wounded soldiers LINK
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