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Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:09 am to
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Leaders of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates declined requests to speak to President Biden during the Ukraine crisis, officials say. They both took calls from Putin.
WSJ

This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 8:23 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:15 am to
The adults are back in the room and US foreign policy has been saved!



BTW, I think the only person that Biden actually talked to was the 86 year old dad of one of the guys in charge

But, at least the bad orange man isn't still brokering ME peace deals anymore
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:24 am to
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It’s also amazing how people follow the group majority.

For example blacks in MS and Hispanics in Texas are way more conservative minded than Hispanics in California or blacks in Illinois. Even though the media would have you believe these demographics just vote democrat everywhere. 4 out of the 6 black men that work on the farm for me voted Trump



Even more than that, the values of each party changes depending on where they are in the country. A democrat where I live is likely more conservative that a republican in California or New York.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:25 am to
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4 out of the 6 black men that work on the farm for me


You do pay them, right?





Right?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:30 am to
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 8:51 am to
yup.

Notice how the Soros-funded D.A. in Jackson isn't soft on crime.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:12 am to
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For example blacks in MS and Hispanics in Texas are way more conservative minded than Hispanics in California or blacks in Illinois. Even though the media would have you believe these demographics just vote democrat everywhere. 4 out of the 6 black men that work on the farm for me voted Trump



Even more than that, the values of each party changes depending on where they are in the country. A democrat where I live is likely more conservative that a republican in California or New York.


That kind of thing is why I really want the electoral college done away with.

It's idiotic that you really only need to campaign in 15 or so states during any given cycle.

A Repub vote in Cali should have just as much impact as a Dem vote in Texas.

What we have now really only caters to the extremes of each party and makes it nearly impossible for anyone to break the two party stranglehold. It sucks arse.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 9:14 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:14 am to
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That kind of thing is why I really want the electoral college done away with.


Jesus Christ.

Thanks for showing your arse yet again.

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It's idiotic that you really only need to campaign in 15 or so states during any given cycle.

So you want to reduce that to 5 or 6 by tossing the electoral college?


Goddamn
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:14 am to
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Leaders of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates declined requests to speak to President Biden during the Ukraine crisis, officials say. They both took calls from Putin.


Imagine admitting you voted for this cause of mean tweets
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:16 am to
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So you want to reduce that to 5 or 6 by tossing the electoral college?


It wouldn't do that at all b/c most states are shades of purple and within those shades of purple are a wide variety of values.

Like has been said, a Republican or Dem in one state is not going to be the same as Republican or Dem in another. It would force candidates to be far more centrist and would heavily cut down on the impact of the extreme right and extreme left during primaries.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 9:17 am
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:19 am to
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It wouldn't do that at all b/c most states are shades of purple and within those shades of purple are a wide variety of values.

Like has been said, a Republican or Dem in one state is not going to be the same as Republican or Dem in another. It would force candidates to be far more centrist.


No, it reduces the campaign trail to the largest population centers in the country, which means states like WY or MS or IA don't count and will be thrown to the side with none of their issues or interests being taken into consideration. Are you a college kid or something?
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:24 am to
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No, it reduces the campaign trail to the largest population centers in the country, which means states like WY or MS or IA don't count


We already have that.

A Dem vote in Texas or a Repub vote in Cali mean jack shite right now so a Dem doesn't waste time in Texas and Repub doesn't waste time in Cali. They aren't going hard in states like Wyoming or Mississippi either. Right now unless you are a swing state they dont give a shite.

No electoral college create opportunities for completely different voting collations than we have right now and would make you have to appeal to a far wider variety of voters. This would rid us of extremist pandering bullshite that nobody from either side likes.


Look, we aren't going to agree on this and this and that isn't what this thread is for so lets drop it.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 9:27 am
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:26 am to
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No electoral college create opportunities for completely different voting collations than we have right now and would make you have to appeal to a far wider variety of voters. This would rid us of extremist pandering bull shite that nobody from either side likes.


Wow you antifa comrades are insane
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:28 am to
It drastically reduced representation by a large margin. Hell, even AOC was complaining that WY was "overrepresented" because they have 2 senators like everyone else. Doing away with the EC does nothing more than consolidate even more power to population centers.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:29 am to
I already said we aren't going to agree and this thread isn't for a debate on the value of the EC so again we should just go ahead and agree to disagree.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:34 am to
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That kind of thing is why I really want the electoral college done away with.

It's idiotic that you really only need to campaign in 15 or so states during any given cycle.

A Repub vote in Cali should have just as much impact as a Dem vote in Texas.

What we have now really only caters to the extremes of each party and makes it nearly impossible for anyone to break the two party stranglehold. It sucks arse.


Worst take yet in this thread.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:34 am to
I don't know. Seems like a fitting topic given how the Russians love centralized power
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:36 am to
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Look, we aren't going to agree on this and this and that isn't what this thread is for so lets drop it.


I agree. Because your take is fricking stupid.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:39 am to
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It drastically reduced representation by a large margin. Hell, even AOC was complaining that WY was "overrepresented" because they have 2 senators like everyone else. Doing away with the EC does nothing more than consolidate even more power to population centers.


Exactly. If that were to happen, Presidential candidates would only campaign in NYC, Philly, Miami, Chicago, Houston, DFW, Phoenix and LA if the electoral college was done away with.

A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner. A constitutional republic with an electoral college is two wolves and a well armed sheep deciding what’s for dinner.

If you think a pure democracy is a good idea like RC does, google Weimar Germany and see how that ended for them. The majority can be evil and do mass atrocities to the minority.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 9:41 am
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 9:39 am to
Can someone direct me to the tread discussing developments in Ukraine? It seems to have been relocated.
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