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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:00 am to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:00 am to
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:08 am to
we hate the man called Zelenskyyyy
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:33 am to
Kremlin: Main results of the meeting of expert groups of russia and the us
March 25, 2025
1. In accordance with the agreement of the presidents of Russia and the US, the Russian and american sides agreed to ensure the implementation of the "Black Sea Initiative", which includes ensuring the safety of navigation in the Black Sea, non-use of force and prevention of the use of commercial vessels for military purposes while organizing appropriate control measures by inspecting such vessels.

2. The US will help restore access of Russian agricultural exports and fertilizers to the world market, reduce the cost of insurance of maritime transportation, as well as expand access to ports and payment systems for conducting such transactions.

Note:

Clauses 1 and 2 shall come into force after:

Lifting of sanctions restrictions from Rosselkhozbank and other financial institutions involved in ensuring operations on international trade in food (including fish products) and fertilizers, their connection to SWIFT, opening of the necessary correspondent accounts;

Lifting of restrictions on trade finance operations;

Lifting of sanctions restrictions from companies producing and exporting food (including fish products) and fertilizers, as well as lifting of restrictions on the work of insurance companies with cargoes of food (including fish products) and fertilizers;

Lifting restrictions on servicing ships in ports and sanctions on ships under the Russian flag involved in the trade in food (including fish products) and fertilizers;

Lifting restrictions on the supply of agricultural machinery to the Russian Federation, as well as other goods involved in the production of food (including fish products) and fertilizers.

3. Russia and the United States agreed to develop measures to implement the agreements between the presidents of the two countries on a ban on strikes on energy facilities in Russia and Ukraine for a period of 30 days, starting from March 18, 2025, with the possibility of extension and withdrawal from the agreement in the event of non-compliance by one of the parties.

4. Russia and the United States welcome good offices from third countries aimed at supporting the implementation of agreements in the energy and maritime spheres.

5. Russia and the United States will continue to work to achieve a strong and lasting peace.


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:42 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 11:51 am to
I don’t blame Ukraine if they refused that agreement. It gives Russia a as lot, it takes away one of Ukraine’s biggest hammers (ability to strike Russian infrastructure) and they hardly get anything in return.

Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:08 pm to
Assuming we can actually get to an actual full ceasefire this doesn't seem terrible for Ukraine. Russia obviously wants sanction relief and they will need something to actually do any ceasefire. IMO Russia comes out way ahead with the energy and Black Sea ceasefire, but I'm not sure what cards could have been played to make it more "level". If this actually gets the war ended it's a positive step, but I do have a gut feeling it might just be Russia gaming the system. I really hope my gut is wrong. The actual frontline ceasefire will be interesting to see what has to give.

That said, I do find it funny that Russia totally says the Energy ceasefire started March 18th the night they bombed Ukrainian energy infrastructure. Ukraine has also apparently given a list to the US of what they consider energy infrastructure for going forward.

Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:10 pm to
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hey hardly get anything in return.


It might take away a Ukrainian option, but they showed the other night they can do deep strikes that aren't energy related.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:36 pm to
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"source: Rosstat"




Need me to do more of your homework?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:48 pm to
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dagrippa
You seem to require spoonfeeding.
Here you go
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:50 pm to
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Russia had been in turmoil and no doubt when Putin emerged from the chaos he wanted to do things his way. Since then Russia had been very agressive and not just in regards to Ukraine.


Russia has never not been in turmoil since the Iron Curtain fell... but Putin upped the chaos. Yeltsin was more politely corrupt. Still, Yeltsin launched military attacks on former territories who were trying to break away from Russian control almost immediately... like Chechnya. He was just not as ruthless as Putin is, and did not necessarily prevail.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:51 pm to
Holodomor by regions.


Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:57 pm to
WAPO (Gifted Article): For Europeans, Signal chat gives unfiltered view of Trump team’s disdain
European officials saw the screenshots as more proof in private of what the Trump team has indicated in public: scorn for America’s traditional allies.

"Hire clowns, get a circus" as my dad used to say...
Posted by dagrippa
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 12:59 pm to
I printed out the 404 File Not Found page. Trying to decipher what a big brain like you is telling me. I guess Putin good or something. Obama's wife is a man maybe? Something about Q. Let me go do more research.
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:01 pm to
WAPO (Gifted article): U.S. gets Russian and Ukrainian commitment to Black Sea ceasefire
The agreement comes after separate U.S.-sponsored talks with Ukraine and Russia in Riyadh and includes facilitating Russian access to world food markets for its exports.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:16 pm to
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You can also inflate the value or minimize the value of the equipment delivered. If you want to make it look like a lot of expense, value the equipment as what we paid to acquire it new. If you want to minimize it, value it as surplus or even lower.


Do you think Biden did that while Republicans were attacking him for caring more about Ukraine than America and running on 'America First'? He isn't that stupid, is he?
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:20 pm to
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U.S. gets Russian and Ukrainian commitment to Black Sea ceasefire
The agreement comes after separate U.S.-sponsored talks with Ukraine and Russia in Riyadh and includes facilitating Russian access to world food markets for its exports.


More in 2 months than Biden accomplished in 2 years
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:23 pm to

In connection with the speculations circulated in the media on the subject of the possible transfer of the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) to Ukraine or the establishment of some kind of “joint control” over the station with Ukraine, the United States or representatives of international organizations, we would like to clarify the following.

?? Zaporizhzhya NPP is a Russian nuclear facility.

?? The transfer of the Zaporizhzhya NPP itself or control over it to Ukraine or any other country is impossible.

?? All station employees are citizens of the Russian Federation, their lives cannot be played with, especially considering the atrocities that Ukrainians have committed and continue to commit on the territory of our country.

?? Joint operation of the Zaporizhzhya NPP with any other state is also unacceptable.

?? Close cooperation between NATO intelligence services and Ukraine, which have impressive sabotage potential, makes even temporary access of representatives of these countries to the Zaporizhzhya NPP impossible.

?? The primary responsibility for ensuring nuclear and physical nuclear safety on their territory lies with the states themselves. In the case of ZNPP, this is the Russian Federation, and nothing else.
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation."


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Posted by dagrippa
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:24 pm to
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It's all spun. Red team or Blue team.



Do you not understand what I meant here?
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:26 pm to
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quote:U.S. gets Russian and Ukrainian commitment to Black Sea ceasefire The agreement comes after separate U.S.-sponsored talks with Ukraine and Russia in Riyadh and includes facilitating Russian access to world food markets for its exports. More in 2 months than Biden accomplished in 2 years


So JB was wrong again. Geez, something must be wrong. CO2 problem with the boilers maybe?
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:31 pm to
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More in 2 months than Biden accomplished in 2 years


Biden made this same deal early on and Russia broke it off after a while, until they had few ships left afloat in the Black Sea to interfere that much. They've ramped up attacks since Trump got back into office via missiles and drones.

WIONEWS: Russia wants to restore 'Black Sea Grain deal' with Ukraine: What is it and why did Moscow back out the first time?

The Black Sea grain initiative was established in July 2022 through negotiations involving Turkey, the United Nations, and Russia. Its purpose was to ensure that Ukraine, one of the world’s largest grain producers, could continue exporting its grain from southern ports through the Bosphorus. With overland routes through Poland and waterways via Romania unable to handle the necessary volumes, the agreement became essential for the global food supply.

The initiative, one of the few diplomatic breakthroughs since the conflict began, allowed the export of commercial food products and fertiliser, including ammonia, from three key Ukrainian ports: Odesa, Chornomorsk, and Pivdennyi (formerly Yuzhny).

Ukrainian vessels escorted cargo ships through safe corridors, avoiding mined areas, before heading towards Istanbul. There, the ships were inspected by joint teams made up of Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, and UN officials.

A second agreement was signed alongside it, intended to ease restrictions on Russia's food and fertiliser exports. Both parts of the deal were reviewed every few months.

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