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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:01 pm to
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FWIW, less than it did before 2022. Total value is zero indication of even gross profit, oil costs real money to get Thatof the ground, process in the field then ship via long pipelines. The same goes for natural gas then cost to for liquefaction. For refined products there is cost to refine crude oil into products.

Your "big" numbers are 18% of the imports in 2024. You have zero clue about economics, its obvious as phuck.

You are no different than some feminist yelling about men being rapists and murders because some happen annually by small percentage of male population.


Three paragraphs and you still did not address his post. Is Europe importing ever increasing quantities of Gas or not?

Ya bum
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41425 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:08 pm to
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Total value is zero indication of even gross profit, oil costs real money to get Thatof the ground, process in the field then ship via long pipelines. The same goes for natural gas then cost to for liquefaction. For refined products there is cost to refine crude oil into products. Your "big" numbers are 18% of the imports in 2024. You have zero clue about economics, its obvious as phuck. You are no different than some feminist yelling about men being rapists and murders because some happen annually by small percentage of male population.



What a word salad. Please sober up
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41425 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:11 pm to
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Three paragraphs and you still did not address his post. Is Europe importing ever increasing quantities of Gas or not?


His knowledge of the oil & gas industry is what he googles at night when he’s blasted.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:23 pm to
ISW Update March 24 2025

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Key Takeaways:

US and Russian delegations met in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on March 24 following US–Ukrainian talks on March 23 about the details of temporary ceasefires on long-range strikes and in the Black Sea.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced in Demidovka along the international border in northwestern Belgorod Oblast amid ongoing Ukrainian attacks in the area.

The Kremlin is recirculating existing narratives aimed at undermining support for Ukraine amid the negotiations in Riyadh and likely remains uninterested in conducting meaningful negotiations to end the war.

Russia continues to persecute religious minorities, especially Evangelical Christian communities in occupied Kherson Oblast as part of a wider campaign in occupied Ukraine aimed at destroying independent Ukrainian national and religious identities.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced in Belgorod Oblast and near Toretsk and Pokrovsk, and Russian forces recently advanced near Siversk, Toretsk, Pokrovsk, and Velyka Novosilka.

Russian forces are reportedly failing to adequately provision first person view (FPV) drone units amid ongoing efforts to centralize Russian drone operations under the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:35 pm to
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Their demographics will never be the same, all because Putin wanted to be Alex the Great.


Blaming Zekensky for a war that began in 2014 only works on simple minded people.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 9:40 pm to
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They were never ukraine nukes, they were russian nukes on ukraine soil. We owed them nothing.


We could have let things be, and let Ukraine keep the nukes or watched from afar to see how things worked out; however, we did not.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:43 pm to
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Three paragraphs and you still did not address his post. Is Europe importing ever increasing quantities of Gas or not?


Less

The clueless cucks who don't know shiite from shinola about basic arithmetic think that is all money for Russia's war effort. If that is the case then everyone in Russia is working as a slave and doesn't even get fed.

So is Russia selling at pawn shop prices and getting less than cost or what? It's the not the big $ number than matters.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 10:44 pm to
We had NAFO trolls saying the other day this strike was not a military target. Wrong Again...Not only did they have Ukrainian Soldiers here but they had alot of ammunition that was being stored.


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Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26879 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:27 pm to
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They were never ukraine nukes, they were russian nukes on ukraine soil. We owed them nothing.


We could have let things be, and let Ukraine keep the nukes or watched from afar to see how things worked out; however, we did not.


Those nukes were Soviet nukes prior to the collapse of the USSR.

There was great concern that a Ukraine nuke could end up sold on the black market to terrorists. Thus the promises to guarantee Ukraine's independence if they gave up the nukes.

I guess they should have kept the nukes rather than trusting America's promise.



I was intensely aware of that time period since the company I worked for sent teams to the USSR to meet with high ranking Soviet media people who were seeking help to produce a Western style media company. They all knew that the collapse was near.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 11:32 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:21 am to
Sumy update. Link has photo gallery.

Missile strike on Sumy: Number of injured rises to 94, including 23 children


24.03.2025 22:52

A Russian missile strike on Sumy has left 94 people injured, including 71 adults and 23 children.

That's according to the Sumy City Council, Ukrinform reports.

"According to updated data from the health department, 23 children have been injured," the statement reads.

Preliminary reports indicate damage to 26 buildings, including three schools, a kindergarten, a vocational training center, an interschool training complex, a hospital, 16 residential buildings (on Leonida Bykova, Ivana Vyhovskoho, Remisnycha, Metalurhiv, and Polska streets), a restaurant and entertainment complex, a car service, and an administrative building of a private company.

The blast shattered over 3,000 windows, damaged roofs on eight apartment buildings and four private homes, and left four apartment buildings in need of major roof repairs.



Ukrinform
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13507 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:43 am to
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Not only did they have Ukrainian Soldiers here but they had alot of ammunition that was being stored.



Is this part of the 7000 soldiers encircled by Russia? Whatever happened there?
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 5:44 am
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41425 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:46 am to
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It's the not the big $ number than matters.


Those articles are not in $ but metric tons.

For example 2 metric tons would be a larger amount than 1 metric ton.

Hope that helps!
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:59 am to
Wonder what happened to make Russia cancel the joint statement

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Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:39 am to
Other random tweets

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Ukraine wants security guarantees for ports, including Kherson, said OP advisor Serhii Leshchenko.

The talks in Arabia discussed the security of shipping in the Black Sea. Ukraine is ready for commitments in case of "good will" from the russian federation.

In turn, the russians say that they will need clear guarantees when resuming the Black Sea initiative.

LINK

quote:

"Guarantees for Russia from Ukraine are nothing more than an order to Zelensky from the United States. Only Washington can stop terrorist attacks and Kyiv’s shelling of civilian Russian facilities." – Lavrov.

Additionally, a joint statement following yesterday's U.S.-Russia negotiations in Riyadh was not adopted due to "Ukraine's position."

It was the year 2025, and Russia was demanding security guarantees from the U.S. to protect itself from Ukraine. Nothing special.

LINK

quote:

The joint statement following the negotiations between the US and the russian federation was not adopted because of Ukraine's position, said Deputy Chairman of the Defense Committee of the russian federation's Federal Assembly, Chizhov.

According to him, the delegations discussed the document for 12 hours and supposedly agreed on the text, but Ukraine allegedly blocked its adoption.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:44 am to
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Those articles are not in $ but metric tons.

For example 2 metric tons would be a larger amount than 1 metric ton.

Hope that helps!


Doesn't matter, still down by a lot from pre 2022. They had a spike in 2022 when traders panicked for no reason, which is very normal. Sure LNG is up but natural gas is down overall by a lot. Same with refined products which is where Russia made more profit than crude oil. Why it purchased western refining technology in the 2000's to modernize its old inefficient refineries.

How did you pass 3rd grade arithmetic?
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 7:47 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:52 am to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:28 am to
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Preliminary reports indicate damage to 26 buildings, including three schools, a kindergarten, a vocational training center, an interschool training complex, a hospital, 16 residential buildings (on Leonida Bykova


And all of these buildings housed Ukrainian soldiers, tthanks, artillery shells and ammo, right?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8424 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:40 am to
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Unfortunately we got into this when wf pledged to help Ukraine in order to remove their nukes so we are in it.



Even if we had given aid at a 90-10 Europe to US ratio, we have helped Ukraine. We fulfilled our obligation because the obligation wasn't concrete. In actuality just telling Russia "oh no, don't do that. Ukraine is a sovereign nation" fulfills our obligation because there are no concrete obligations other than we must "respect their sovereignty".

This will get downvoted but I am 100% correct here. Read the document and tell me I'm wrong.

If we had aid at a 80-20 or a 90-10 ratio yes we would be sending less than we have.. But I think Europe's spending should be WAY up, so thats still a significant amount of aid from the US.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 8:46 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8424 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:41 am to
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Trump did not pull that 300 billion number out of thin air.



I agree. I'm sure the $300B number includes a lot of value projection as well, but he got it somewhere.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8424 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:43 am to
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Russia standing at a distance and firing artillery (where they have a 9 to 1 advantage), glide bombs, drones, and missiles, well that would tell any sane person that ukraine is losing far more people than Russia.



The attacker ALWAYS loses more than the defender unless the defender is completely technologically outmatched.

I've seen the ratio being something around 1.75-2 Russian losses for every Ukrainian loss. So yeah, Russia is losing a lot. But not enough to outpace Ukraine's losses.

For context I think you're looking for something like a 3-5 to 1 ratio as a defender ideally. Ukraine is well below that.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 8:44 am
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