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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:47 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 1:47 pm to
IMO it looks like Ukraine is fairly certain Russia won't abide by the ceasefire and is trying to give Russia enough rope to hang itself

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Russia must prove that it is ready to end the war, — Zelenskyy.

The President said that Russia's immediate actions will show its real intentions. If there are new attacks, threats or military activity, additional measures will have to be taken against Moscow.

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"How Russia behaves in the coming days will reveal a lot, if not everything. If there are air raid alerts again, if there is military activity in the Black Sea again, if there are Russian manipulations and threats again, then new measures will need to be taken - specifically against Moscow." - Volodymyr Zelenskyy in his evening address.

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Zelenskyy: Russians must understand that if they launch strikes, there will be a strong response.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:13 pm to
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If there are air raid alerts again, if there is military activity in the Black Sea again, if there are Russian manipulations and threats again, then new measures will need to be taken - specifically against Moscow." - Volodymyr Zelenskyy in his evening address.
Wait... did he say Moscow?

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:16 pm to
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Wait... did he say Moscow?


The drones, the drones!
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:34 pm to
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Do you not understand what I meant here?



I know exactly what you meant. Its not particularly relevant.

If you have a problem with the statement that we sent $300B (which you have inferred you do), then in the next comment you say the numbers don't mean anything anyway because they can be fudged (which they can) …. why did you have a problem with it in the first place?

My thesis is this: We actually have sent more aid than the numbers show to Ukraine. I don't really care all that much about Trump's specific number, but its probably in the ballpark. You've already said that its possible I am correct..... so where is the disagreement? What is your goal here? To tell everyone that people play politics with these things? If so, DUH.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:09 pm to
playgrounds not included in ceasefire...

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Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:14 pm to
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My thesis is this: We actually have sent more aid than the numbers show to Ukraine


My thesis is that we haven’t sent that much aid (especially in cash) because the numbers were inflated for political reasons by both sides.

The right wanted Biden to look bad at a time when Americans were suffering from inflation and high prices.

The left wanted to inflate the numbers to make Biden look like a tough guy.

I think if some neutral party did a review of the Biden aid, and how much actually got yo Ukraine by the end of last year, it would be closer to 220B than 300B of direct war aid.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:15 pm to
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"Hire clowns, get a circus" as my dad used to say...
Exactly. This entire Signal chat fiasco is early proof of the deep incompetence of the Trump administration. We knew once Trump's campaign managers left it would be amateur hour as the sole requirement for his staff is abject sycophancy. As there is a negative correlation between arse-kissing and intelligence-based experience, the Trump administration is now a three ring circus of incompetence.

But it doesn't end there. Who do you think is the angriest person in the world over this Signal chat debacle? The one person who has lost the most due to this incredible cock-up? That's right - Vladimir Putin.

The Kremlin spent a lot of time and resources setting up their window into the supposedly secure Signal chat stream. On his recent visit to Moscow, they forced Witkoff to wait 8 hours to meet Putin. So what does your typical person do while he's waiting that long in the Kremlin? That's right, he gets the WiFi password and goes online. Just like God's Own Dumbass.

So now the Russians have a wide open window to every impulse of Team Trump. All of it in real time, no encryption to slowly break, no blank pages due to switching subroutines, no changing passwords. Just a group of inexperienced fools acting like they were still in high school.

All Putin has to do now is prevent the US intelligence agencies from shutting it down. Sounds impossible, right? Well no, not at all. Just a quick call to the US Director of National Intelligence and Traitor-in-Charge Tulsi Gabbard, and it was done.

Gabbard, as DNI director is also executive head of the United States Intelligence Community and director of the National Intelligence Program (NIP). All 18 IC agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the National Security Agency (NSA), report directly to the DNI. Other federal agencies with intelligence capabilities also report to the DNI, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

So Putin's girl Tulsi put a hard freeze on all information about the Signal chat. That took care of the desk jockeys but the experienced department heads would have heard about it anyway. Notably, the ones that did kept quiet. Certainly they weren't worried about having a leak traced back to them, if there's one thing they're experts at in Washington it's hiding your trail.

No, the decision they made was to give the high school yell club all the rope they needed. And with a drunk like Hegseth involved, it didn't take long.

Damn, Vladimir, that's SAD.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:22 pm to
Russia, Ukraine agree to sea, energy truce; Washington seeks eased sanctions

By Steve Holland and Anastasiia Malenko
March 25, 2025 3:11 PM CD

Summary

US says both sides agree to maritime, energy ceasefires

Russia says Washington must 'order' Zelenskiy to comply

Kremlin says deal requires lifting of some sanctions

Zelenskiy says there is no such requirement

Trump cites progress despite 'tremendous animosity'

WASHINGTON/MOSCOW/KYIV, March 25 (Reuters) - The United States reached deals on Tuesday with Ukraine and Russia to pause their attacks at sea and against energy targets, with Washington agreeing to push to lift some sanctions against Moscow.

The separate agreements are the first formal commitments by the two warring sides since the inauguration of President Donald Trump, who is pushing for an end to the warin Ukraine and a rapid rapprochement with Moscow that has alarmed Kyiv and European countries.

The U.S. agreement with Russia goes further than the agreement with Ukraine, with Washington committing to help seek the lifting of international sanctions on Russian agriculture and fertiliser exports, long a Russian demand.

The Kremlin said the Black Sea agreements would not come into effect unless links between some Russian banks and the international financial system were restored.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said this was untrue, and that the deals did not require sanctions relief to come into force.

"Unfortunately, even now, even today, on the very day of negotiations, we see how the Russians have already begun to manipulate," Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address. "They are already trying to distort agreements and, in fact, deceive both our intermediaries and the entire world."

Reuters
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:47 pm to
Trump responds to whether US could lift some sanctions on Russia

Tue, March 25, 2025 - 23:06

Speaking with journalists, US President Donald Trump said that the United States was considering the conditions set by Russia for a ceasefire agreement with Ukraine in the Black Sea, including the partial lifting of sanctions.

The President was asked whether the US is considering lifting restrictions on certain Russian banks and companies.

Trump told journalists that his administration is "looking at" the conditions that, according to the Kremlin, must be met before the Black Sea agreement can be implemented.

"We are thinking about them right now. There are about five or six conditions. We are looking at all of them," Trump said today at the White House.

RBC-Ukraine
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:39 pm to
MODERN WAR: Battle in the Krasnolimansky direction

A striking example of the coordination of infantry and drone operators during the repelling of a counterattack by the Ukrainian Army on the stronghold Russia had occupied.

Russian reconnaissance operator was monitoring the AFU assault groups and giving the Russian infantry the route and position in realtime.

As soon as the Ukranian soldiers approached the dugout, they were immediately met with heavy machine gun fire, forcing them to retreat to a nearby free shelter.

Then a FPV operator with the call sign Metis entered the action. He sent one drone right into the shelter, blowing it up from the inside.

And the second one completely destroyed the Ukrainian assault group that had taken cover"


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Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:59 pm to
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My thesis is that we haven’t sent that much aid
My thesis is that one of the most historically corrupt systems on the planet likely found ways to syphon off huge amounts of US aid.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:03 pm to
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My thesis is that one of the most historically corrupt systems on the planet likely found ways to syphon off huge amounts of US aid.


Russia sure as heck did especially in the 1990's
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:16 pm to
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Russia sure as heck did especially in the 1990's
Detail that if you would.
Put it in the US GDP terms of our Marshall Plan.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:19 pm to
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My thesis is that one of the most historically corrupt systems on the planet likely found ways to syphon off huge amounts of US aid.


My thesis is all aid we sent is included in my estimate. Where did it go after we sent it over doesn’t affect the donation total.
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:32 pm to
Lavrov: European elites will obstruct the ceasefire — and Zelensky knows his days are numbered.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov commented on recent diplomatic developments, saying Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff seems to understand the nature of the conflict in Ukraine, but overestimates the role of European elites, who are determined to cling to Zelensky and prevent any sign of weakening.

Lavrov noted that Zelensky himself understands his time is running out, and that his once-polished image has long since faded. He described U.S.-Russia relations under President Biden as “abnormal,” saying Biden’s conduct resembled “a kindergarten-level grudge.”

According to Lavrov, many of Russia’s international partners believe the U.S. grossly exaggerated its response to the special military operation. He also raised the question of whether Washington will use its leverage to prevent Europe from abandoning Russian gas completely.

He ridiculed European leaders who vow never to restore Nord Stream, calling them “either sick people or suicides.”

Lavrov concluded by reminding that Russia will uphold the principle of “trust, but verify” in any renewed dialogue with the United States, and emphasized that U.S. abuse of the dollar to punish sovereign states has only accelerated the global shift to national currencies and alternative payment systems, a process he said is now irreversible."

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Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:33 pm to
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My thesis is all aid we sent is included in my estimate. Where did it go after we sent it over doesn’t affect the donation total.
The numbers and common sense simply don't match your thesis
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 6:35 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:02 pm to
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The numbers and common sense simply don't match your thesis


My thesis is based on good accounting practices. If I write a check for 100 dollars to the Red Cross. I donated 100 dollars. If the person cashing the check skims 10% and the person in charge of the blankets buys blankets from her BIL and at the end of the day the people in need only get one blanket; I’ve still donated 100 dollars.

Your thesis and mine could both be true.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:05 pm to
Tell Lavrov when you see him that Trump was one of the first to warn Europe about becoming fixed on Russian gas.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 7:42 pm to
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He described U.S.-Russia relations under President Biden as “abnormal,” saying Biden’s conduct resembled “a kindergarten-level grudge.


I wonder how many Kindergarteners have died in this “Special Military Operation”.
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