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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:44 am to trinidadtiger
Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:44 am to trinidadtiger
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They were never ukraine nukes, they were russian nukes on ukraine soil. We owed them nothing.
They were soviet nukes, then they were Ukrainian nukes
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:49 am to cypher
SPRAVDI — Stratcom Centre
@StratcomCentre
On this day in 1949, the USSR launched "Operation Priboi"—a three-day campaign of terror across the Baltics.
Over 90,000 people from Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia were forcibly taken from their homes and deported to Siberia. Thousands died in labor camps. Families were torn apart. Entire communities erased.
The goal? Eliminate national identity and replace it with submission to Moscow.
In 2024, nothing has changed. This week, Putin signed a decree forcing Ukrainians in occupied territories to accept Russian passports—or face deportation.
From the Baltics and Ukraine to Crimea and all of Eastern Europe, the method is the same.
Russia doesn’t reinvent its crimes. It repeats them, over and over..
@StratcomCentre
On this day in 1949, the USSR launched "Operation Priboi"—a three-day campaign of terror across the Baltics.
Over 90,000 people from Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia were forcibly taken from their homes and deported to Siberia. Thousands died in labor camps. Families were torn apart. Entire communities erased.
The goal? Eliminate national identity and replace it with submission to Moscow.
In 2024, nothing has changed. This week, Putin signed a decree forcing Ukrainians in occupied territories to accept Russian passports—or face deportation.
From the Baltics and Ukraine to Crimea and all of Eastern Europe, the method is the same.
Russia doesn’t reinvent its crimes. It repeats them, over and over..
Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:58 am to trinidadtiger
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Trump did not pull that 300 billion number out of thin air.
Absolutely agree. Trump never says anything out of thin air. He's all facts all the time.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:11 am to VolSquatch
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Even if we had given aid at a 90-10 Europe to US ratio, we have helped Ukraine. We fulfilled our obligation because the obligation wasn't concrete. In actuality just telling Russia "oh no, don't do that. Ukraine is a sovereign nation" fulfills our obligation because there are no concrete obligations other than we must "respect their sovereignty". This will get downvoted but I am 100% correct here. Read the document and tell me I'm wrong. If we had aid at a 80-20 or a 90-10 ratio yes we would be sending less than we have.. But I think Europe's spending should be WAY up, so thats still a significant amount of aid from the US.
I do not disagree at all.
Our mistake was over the long run we didn’t have a clear plan as to what our til Ed was going to be.
Different administrations handled Ukraine differently going back to Bush. We gave mixed signals. Our policy was inconsistent.
We didn’t lead we kind of just wdng along with the flow.
And there’s no debate about Europe. They mostly talked they didn’t help Ukraine in any concrete way when they should have been aggressive in planning for their defense.
They allowed Russia an upper hand in their energy needs. That was dumb too.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:31 am to CitizenK
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The clueless cucks who don't know shiite from shinola about basic arithmetic think that is all money for Russia's war effort. If that is the case then everyone in Russia is working as a slave and doesn't even get fed.
So is Russia selling at pawn shop prices and getting less than cost or what? It's the not the big $ number than matters.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:31 am to StormyMcMan
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Wonder what happened to make Russia cancel the joint statement
Ukraine objected
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:37 am to dagrippa
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Absolutely agree. Trump never says anything out of thin air. He's all facts all the time
You can say things that aren't facts without pulling them out of thin air
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:38 am to NC_Tigah
"source: Rosstat"
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:41 am to VolSquatch
300 is a nice round number. I like 350 because of South Park.
350 billion Ukrainians have died in the war. Russia lost 420,000.
350 billion Ukrainians have died in the war. Russia lost 420,000.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:41 am to John Barron
I am skeptical about that report being true, but it does line up with past events.
Ukraine's end game is to try to get NATO boots on the ground to win this for them. I'm sure they were hoping they could get the UK to drop a bunch of troops into Ukraine during the 30 day ceasefire that was rejected as 'peacekeepers', then dare Putin to keep going after the 30 days were up.
The Poland missile incident.
Nordstream.
They've been trying to pull us in from the start, and its obvious to anyone who is paying attention.
Zelensky would blow up the world to save an eastern European version of Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas.
Ukraine's end game is to try to get NATO boots on the ground to win this for them. I'm sure they were hoping they could get the UK to drop a bunch of troops into Ukraine during the 30 day ceasefire that was rejected as 'peacekeepers', then dare Putin to keep going after the 30 days were up.
The Poland missile incident.
Nordstream.
They've been trying to pull us in from the start, and its obvious to anyone who is paying attention.
Zelensky would blow up the world to save an eastern European version of Kansas, Nebraska, and the Dakotas.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:44 am to dagrippa
0 is a nice round number too. Its also the number the Biden admin put on equipment we sent over to make it seem like we weren't sending as much as we did via EDA and Presidential Drawdown. Though sometimes the value wasn't zero, it was just WAY reduced from the value we would have gotten had we sold it.
So yeah, its pretty easy to estimate that we actually sent something like $300B worth of stuff over there (or more)
So yeah, its pretty easy to estimate that we actually sent something like $300B worth of stuff over there (or more)
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:54 am to VolSquatch
You can also inflate the value or minimize the value of the equipment delivered. If you want to make it look like a lot of expense, value the equipment as what we paid to acquire it new. If you want to minimize it, value it as surplus or even lower.
Hell, didn't we send stuff that we were gonna have to pay to destroy?
It's all spun. Red team or Blue team.
Hell, didn't we send stuff that we were gonna have to pay to destroy?
It's all spun. Red team or Blue team.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:56 am to VolSquatch
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So yeah, its pretty easy to estimate that we actually sent something like $300B worth of stuff over there (or more)
Yes, it’s really easy to say 300 Billion. It’s a nice big round number. Just as it was easy to say Russia has lost 1.5 million men.
People believe what they want to believe.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 10:20 am to StormyMcMan
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At 04:00 EST (in 3 hours ish) the United States and Russia will issue a joint statement - TASS
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The planned joint statement from the United States and Russia has been canceled.
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"Guarantees for Russia from Ukraine are nothing more than an order to Zelensky from the United States. Only Washington can stop terrorist attacks and Kyiv’s shelling of civilian Russian facilities." – Lavrov.
. If Lavrov's statement confused you so much that you had to read it twice, thinking the editor made a mistake and switched Lavrov's name for one of the Ukrainian delegates, welcome to the world of Kremlin negotiations. Trump will never get a peace agreement out of the Russians and any cease fire will only end in more humiliation for Donnie. Putin has the Epstein tapes and Shine Boy can't do anything except 1.) give Putin everything he wants; or 2.) quit and go play golf. Given his history with hard work and perseverance, Donnie will soon be teeing off three times a week.
If Ukraine wants to end this war on their terms, they need to get their hands on another copy of those tapes. Considering the attitude that most DOJ / FBI employees have towards Trump now, that could happen. Easily.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 10:29 am to Coeur du Tigre
France Accuses Russia of Targeting Its Aircraft Over Black and Baltic Seas
Paris accuses Russia of deliberately targeting air defense systems at French military aircraft patrolling international waters over the Black and Baltic Seas.
Earlier, French Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu reported that the Russian system had targeted a French aircraft in the Black Sea region. And before that, in the Baltic, the French Atlantique 2 anti-submarine aircraft was forced to return to France due to the impact of electronic warfare systems.
As for the Black Sea, the French are most likely talking about the E-3F flight written about earlier. At that time, the French sent their long-range radar surveillance aircraft along with a pair of Mirages to target Ukrainian drones in the south of Russia.
And now the French leadership is crying that they are being targeted. However, this is a completely standard package of actions from Russian air defense forces, who control the flights of enemy aircraft near their borders. Therefore, they have nothing to complain about, since they are directing the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Russian facilities."
Paris accuses Russia of deliberately targeting air defense systems at French military aircraft patrolling international waters over the Black and Baltic Seas.
Earlier, French Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu reported that the Russian system had targeted a French aircraft in the Black Sea region. And before that, in the Baltic, the French Atlantique 2 anti-submarine aircraft was forced to return to France due to the impact of electronic warfare systems.
As for the Black Sea, the French are most likely talking about the E-3F flight written about earlier. At that time, the French sent their long-range radar surveillance aircraft along with a pair of Mirages to target Ukrainian drones in the south of Russia.
And now the French leadership is crying that they are being targeted. However, this is a completely standard package of actions from Russian air defense forces, who control the flights of enemy aircraft near their borders. Therefore, they have nothing to complain about, since they are directing the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Russian facilities."
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 3/25/25 at 10:30 am to doubleb
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Our mistake was over the long run we didn’t have a clear plan as to what our til Ed was going to be.
Different administrations handled Ukraine differently going back to Bush. We gave mixed signals. Our policy was inconsistent.
We didn’t lead we kind of just wdng along with the flow.
And there’s no debate about Europe. They mostly talked they didn’t help Ukraine in any concrete way when they should have been aggressive in planning for their defense.
They allowed Russia an upper hand in their energy needs. That was dumb too.
We made the agreements with the Yeltsin administration in Moscow.
When Putin took over, he just declared all previous agreements null and void (when it suited him) because he was not the one who made the agreements...
Posted on 3/25/25 at 10:31 am to Coeur du Tigre
I'm fascinated by statements from the Russian Government. It's Orwell.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 10:47 am to Lee B
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When Putin took over, he just declared all previous agreements null and void (when it suited him) because he was not the one who made the agreements...
Russia had been in turmoil and no doubt when Putin emerged from the chaos he wanted to do things his way. Since then Russia had been very agressive and not just in regards to Ukraine.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/25/25 at 10:52 am to doubleb
Ukraine Soldiers send a message to Trump and his administration
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