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Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:05 pm to VolSquatch
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Where is Russia getting all of that stuff to give NK?
Russia is the largest exporter of wheat in the world. NK is starving.
Russia is one of the largest producers of refined petroleum products in the world. NK produces none.
Russia has lots of ballistic missile technology and intellectual property to share. NK ballistic missiles are notoriously unreliable. NK can use that data to help its program.
Russia has thousands of obsolete fighter aircraft in the Mig 21 to Mig 29 variants that would be the nicest things NK has in their fleet.
So, lots of synergies there between those two.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:36 pm to No Colors
Yeah, I get it. I'm not on the "they are collapsing imminently" train.
It is just funny to me that a country who has the ability to increase the size of their own military if they wanted to would willingly give up so much for some North Korean soldiers in Kursk if they were actually about to collapse. You could get something more meaningful out of those assets if it were the case.
The North Korean troops were largely if not entirely brought in so Russia didn't have to keep expanding the military size and re-allocate assets from the front to Kursk in order to expel the Ukrainians. They wanted to expel them and continue to push, hence the NK deal.
It is just funny to me that a country who has the ability to increase the size of their own military if they wanted to would willingly give up so much for some North Korean soldiers in Kursk if they were actually about to collapse. You could get something more meaningful out of those assets if it were the case.
The North Korean troops were largely if not entirely brought in so Russia didn't have to keep expanding the military size and re-allocate assets from the front to Kursk in order to expel the Ukrainians. They wanted to expel them and continue to push, hence the NK deal.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:40 pm to VolSquatch
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Most of a continent merely matching what one country has done isn't the point you think it is.
Now it’s “merely matching” ? Aren’t we supposed to be giving way too much and Europe is matching that, right? In fact I’ve read that Europe had given more than we have as they should.
GDP of the EU < GDP of US
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:43 pm to DMAN1968
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All the dead and wounded people.
Just a reminder.
and rewarding a murderer with capitulation and normalizing of relations always makes them think twice about doing it again!!!
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:46 pm to doubleb
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Now it’s “merely matching” ?
Yes, we shouldn't be matching Europe on this.
This is a Euro-centric Issue. It should be like 80-20 or 90-10, not 50-50.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:49 pm to Lee B
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and rewarding a murderer with capitulation and normalizing of relations always makes them think twice about doing it again!!!
Putin will be gone soon one way or another. Normalizing relations before someone takes his place and working with that person so that trade and globalization is more profitable than conquest is objectively a good, long term approach.
Strict parents make for kids who still do dumb shite but are smarter and sneakier about it. Making them not want to participate in the behavior in the first place is always a better approach.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 2:58 pm to VolSquatch
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It is just funny to me that a country who has the ability to increase the size of their own military if they wanted to would willingly give up so much for some North Korean soldiers in Kursk if they were actually about to collapse
The Russian ethnicity is basically endangered. Ethnic Russians are not sent to the front or otherwise placed in harm's way unless they are people who Putin wants to get rid of...
Ethnic Russian conscripts in places like Kurst and Belgorod are allowed to run away from the Ukrainians rather than be killed in battle. Other Russian minority troops are then sent in with the customary Chechen squads behind them to shoot retreaters and deserters.
There would be a political price to pay if the children of Moscow and St. Petersberg started dying at heavy rates.
And it seems they're starting to run low on the other "undesirable" Russian minorities. In a military that seems dependent on brute meat wave attacks, I guess that would mean the new NKs...
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:01 pm to VolSquatch
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Normalizing relations before someone takes his place and working with that person so that trade and globalization is more profitable than conquest is objectively a good, long term approach.
Strict parents make for kids who still do dumb shite but are smarter and sneakier about it. Making them not want to participate in the behavior in the first place is always a better approach.
But that's the approach people keep saying Merkel, et al, were stupid for trying with Putin?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:02 pm to Lee B
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The Russian ethnicity is basically endangered. Ethnic Russians are not sent to the front or otherwise placed in harm's way unless they are people who Putin wants to get rid of...
Ethnic Russian conscripts in places like Kurst and Belgorod are allowed to run away from the Ukrainians rather than be killed in battle. Other Russian minority troops are then sent in with the customary Chechen squads behind them to shoot retreaters and deserters.
There would be a political price to pay if the children of Moscow and St. Petersberg started dying at heavy rates.
And it seems they're starting to run low on the other "undesirable" Russian minorities. In a military that seems dependent on brute meat wave attacks, I guess that would mean the new NKs...
If they were about to imminently collapse, a guy who is in his 70's himself isn't going to be overly concerned about demographic collapse
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:10 pm to Lee B
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But that's the approach people keep saying Merkel, et al, were stupid for trying with Putin?
I'm talking about the present. Even their approach was arms length and more based on personal need than an actual desire for decent relations.
If we can make Russia something more like Saudi Arabia.... someone we aren't best friends with but who we can work with and aren't worried about causing huge geopolitical disruption, it would be better for the world.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:23 pm to VolSquatch
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I'm talking about the present. Even their approach was arms length and more based on personal need than an actual desire for decent relations.
If we can make Russia something more like Saudi Arabia.... someone we aren't best friends with but who we can work with and aren't worried about causing huge geopolitical disruption, it would be better for the world.
I disagree... the Germans got into bed, business-wise, with Russia/Gazprom... and some of them are still hiding under the blankets and trying to remain there. Self-interests is 7/8s of economics.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:26 pm to VolSquatch
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If they were about to imminently collapse, a guy who is in his 70's himself isn't going to be overly concerned about demographic collapse
and that is why some in the Biden administration thought Putin might actually pop nukes if he doesn't get his way... because he's desperate and unhinged.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:44 pm to VolSquatch
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This is a Euro-centric Issue. It should be like 80-20 or 90-10, not 50-50.
Unfortunately we got into this when wf pledged to help Ukraine in order to remove their nukes so we are in it.
The question then is should we be all in? My answer is no. Should we be leading a Western coalition to deter Russia? My answer is yes.
Unfortunately our policy had been all over ghd place and instead of setting guidelines; we failed to lead, we were not decisive and wd put out mixed signals. Putin filled the vacuum left by the US and Europe.
We then decided to throw a lot of money and resources at Ukraine after the genie was out of the bottle with no real plan of action.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:52 pm to doubleb
Posted on 3/24/25 at 3:56 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:36 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:48 pm to doubleb
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Now it’s “merely matching” ? Aren’t we supposed to be giving way too much and Europe is matching that, right? In fact I’ve read that Europe had given more than we have as they should.
The numbers often quoted are just the "bills" where we have allocated funds. They dont include:
50 billion dollar loan blinken shoved up our arse on the way on the door
USAID funding
World Bank loans
100s of NGOs
Various and sundry US Departments like Health, and even the EPA
Trump did not pull that 300 billion number out of thin air.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:55 pm to Lee B
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And it seems they're starting to run low on the other "undesirable" Russian minorities. In a military that seems dependent on brute meat wave attacks, I guess that would mean the new NKs...
Russia standing at a distance and firing artillery (where they have a 9 to 1 advantage), glide bombs, drones, and missiles, well that would tell any sane person that ukraine is losing far more people than Russia.
20% of their population has left, 10% of their able bodied men are now dead or disabled. Their demographics will never be the same, all because cargo pants sold his soul to the mic.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:58 pm to doubleb
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Unfortunately we got into this when wf pledged to help Ukraine in order to remove their nukes so we are in it.
They were never ukraine nukes, they were russian nukes on ukraine soil. We owed them nothing.
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