re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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We have been supplying them with javelin and stinger missiles. I have also seen that (and yeah always doubt what you read) that we gave Ukraine soviet helicopters previously seized in Afghanistan. Don't know how true that part is.

Either way, none of it is going to have the stars and stripes visible.

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Yes, I understand this information that is out there. The javelin and stinger unit deliveries started even before Russia invaded. Yes, they will continue.

I know that no equipment marked with the US flag will appear on the battlefields of Ukraine. That is obvious.

But, IMHO, Russia's analysis now focuses on waging the long war, because, if Ukraine runs out of ground troops, then all of these Stingers and Javelins are not so helpful.

IMHO, the conflict has already evolved into "Attrition War" because the most optimal Russian time-table of a 15-day "Blitz" has not happened.

Can Ukraine, with NATO Stingers and Javelins, endure this War of Attrition for longer than Russia can prosecute this war? Isn't that the key question for us to ponder at this point in time?

Shouldn't we also ask ourselves this question: Who is going to PAY FOR the re-building of Ukraine after the war? I have a hunch that it will be the US taxpayer.

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War in a foreign land, and OML outraged at some domestic politics BS in the thread.

As on brand as those drunk Russian soldiers.

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You’re not pissed off about the gas prices?

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You’re not pissed off about the gas prices?

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Gas prices suck arse b/c Wall Street speculators are POS assholes driving the prices up for their own gain and domestic producers are happy to let it happen b/c they want to make up for their losses when the price of a barrel tanked during the first year of COVID.

Does cutting off Russian oil add to it? Sure, but it sure as shite aint the driving factor.

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Gas prices suck arse b/c Wall Street speculators are POS assholes driving the prices up for their own gain and domestic producers are happy to let it happen b/c they want to make up for their losses when the price of a barrel tanked during the first year of COVID.

Does cutting off Russian oil add to it? Sure, but it sure as shite aint the driving factor.

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Yeah, I’m sure this is just a coincidence. I wish I had more than one downvote to give that blatant lie. This clown show of an administration also tweeted out this stupidity in December and July:




But hey, keep on tolerating being directly insulted by the elites. It’s working out so well for us.

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And Ukraine can?

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Well they are the ones being invaded for starters

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I'm not saying he actively was trying to help Putin but Trump's actions were a plus for his long term goals.

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TDS will never die with you clowns

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Frustrated but this was inevitable when Russia went in.

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*cough*cough*

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TDS will never die with you clowns

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He literally asked what was different during Trump. Putin was not scared of him. He was happy to have somebody here that was antagonistic to the EU and NATO. Again, I'm not saying Trump was thinking if I do this it's good for Putin. Some things he did just happened to benefit Putin so there was no reason to upset that balance.

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No he didn't. He talked about withdrawing troops from countries like Germany (and moving them to Poland) because they never fulfilled their contribution obligations (while also getting 70% of their energy from the country they were allegedly scared of when NS2 was complete). Of course, that was interpreted as "pulling out of NATO", which was, as was most of the media coverage during his time, a complete and utter lie that everybody thinks is true because it's been repeated so many times.

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Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

In the days around a tumultuous NATO summit meeting last summer, they said, Mr. Trump told his top national security officials that he did not see the point of the military alliance, which he presented as a drain on the United States.

At the time, Mr. Trump’s national security team, including Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary, and John R. Bolton, the national security adviser, scrambled to keep American strategy on track without mention of a withdrawal that would drastically reduce Washington’s influence in Europe and could embolden Russia for decades.

Now, the president’s repeatedly stated desire to withdraw from NATO is raising new worries among national security officials amid growing concern about Mr. Trump’s efforts to keep his meetings with Mr. Putin secret from even his own aides, and an F.B.I. investigation into the administration’s Russia ties.

A move to withdraw from the alliance, in place since 1949, “would be one of the most damaging things that any president could do to U.S. interests,” said Michèle A. Flournoy, an under secretary of defense under President Barack Obama.

“It would destroy 70-plus years of painstaking work across multiple administrations, Republican and Democratic, to create perhaps the most powerful and advantageous alliance in history,” Ms. Flournoy said in an interview. “And it would be the wildest success that Vladimir Putin could dream of.”

Retired Adm. James G. Stavridis, the former supreme allied commander of NATO, said an American withdrawal from the alliance would be “a geopolitical mistake of epic proportion.”

“Even discussing the idea of leaving NATO — let alone actually doing so — would be the gift of the century for Putin,” Admiral Stavridis said.

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He was happy to have somebody here that was antagonistic to the EU and NATO

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He was antagonistic in the form of demanding they increase their military spending on national defense. Yeah, Putin really loved that

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Some things he did just happened to benefit Putin

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Like what? Be specific.