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Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:59 am to John Barron
Who knew it would be an agreement between Trump and Putin that would restore democracy to Ukraine, LOL!
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:00 am to texag7
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This war is effectively over. Question is how much more land can Russia gobble up before an official ceasefire?
So now it’s not over. Flip flop
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:01 am to doubleb
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I believe I saw Trump on my tv last night saying Zelensky would be in the negotiations.
Zelensky himself said he's not going to attend.
Don't believe everything you watch on the MSM TV outlets.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:02 am to VolSquatch
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I actually sort of disagreed with this initially, but he just dodged the question again
I've been through this with him before. He continually jumps from one side of the fence to the other, then back again, and can never provide a direct answer. It is a mental condition.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:03 am to Stinger_1066
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Don't believe everything you watch on the MSM TV outlets.
So Fox showed Trump talking, but it wasn’t really him?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:06 am to doubleb
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So Fox showed Trump talking, but it wasn’t really him?
Zelensky failed him. He said he was not going to be there.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:10 am to AU86
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Details: Zelenskyy once again emphasised that Ukraine will not legally renounce its territories or sign any agreements "just for the sake of loud applause".
This is going to be a sticking point. Russia will demand formal recognition on the four oblasts and Crimea. Zelensky is saying he won't do that. It seems to me that Zelensky and the EU want this war to continue.
Zelensky wants peacekeepers. Russia says no.
Zelensky wants a million man army. Russia wants Ukraine demilitarized.
Europe is in panic in regards to the US pulling out of Europe. Maybe they think if the war continues they can keep the US tied to Europe.
A scenario that may happen is:
1. Elections (Zelensky is gone)
2. No NATO for Ukraine. Ukraine changes it's constitution and accepts neutrality. Nationalist militias in Ukraine have to be dismantled. Ukraine's army size is limited.
3.Trump secures the rare Earth minerals for a US security guarantee that includes no US troops.
3. Europe provides troops as peacekeepers with no Article 5 guarantee
4. Russia's incorporating the four oblasts and Crimea is formally recognized.
5. Sanctions are lifted.
Russia, Ukraine and Europe would have to compromise for this to happen. That might be Trump's starting plan. If compromise is not achieved Trump tells them that they are own their own and the war continues.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 9:00 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:30 am to cypher
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Russia and the U.S. also held separate talks on economic cooperation, including on global energy prices, Russian negotiator Kirill Dmitriev told Reuters.
A flow of Russian oil and natural gas without sanctions could harm US oil and gas production as well as LNG terminal viability.
A price drop in global oil prices will effectively kill drilling on Mainland USA. That being said, lower prices for Russian crude will only make it not profitable and return to being just cash flow like selling to a pawn shop if it drops much below $50 per barrel.
It may unravel the recent announcement with Japan and Russian LNG going to Japan instead of from the soon to be flow from Alaska.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:38 am to CitizenK
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:44 am to doubleb
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I hadn’t really thought about it and I don’t really care.
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Now let me ask you, is JB a paid shill for Russia?
If JB made a claim like that you would be all over it, when its your guy you don't care. Why not hold posters with similar viewpoints to the same standard?
If you remember, CitizenK used to post "statistics" about Russia's economy. I decided to look them up to see if they were accurate. Think a few other posters started doing the same but I'm not sure. They almost always were either entirely wrong or at the very least misleading.
After myself and other posters called him out multiple times for this, he now only posts "phone conversations" he has with "friends" or other shite that can't be fact checked so he doesn't get called out. And now we are supposed to believe someone who rants about "Tucker the stupid Phucker" for half the workday is going to change O&G in a way silicon valley couldn't?
As for JB I have no idea if he is a paid shill for Russia, but I would say probably not. He is obviously either pro-Russia or at least anti-Ukraine, but neither of those definitively mean you're getting paid. I think the posting frequency and method is a red flag, but I also think we discount the fact that there are bored professionals who don't have much else to do at their desk 9-5 and those type of people are all over TigerDroppings at all hours of the day.
I personally don't put much stock into twitter accounts generally, and especially those that have Russian or Ukraine flags in their bio. Thats why I reference Hellin's posts fairly often, he is one of the only twitter "pundits" I've actually looked into before just blindly believing them, and who seems to try to objectively analyze the conflict even if he does wade into some biased waters when talking about US politics that he should probably just stay out of. So TLDR I don't really think many of JB's posts are that compelling because I don't care what some random on Twitter is saying. If its someone I am familiar with who seems credible or from a reputable outlet I pay more attention to it.
Why is answering yes or no so difficult for you?
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 8:46 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:53 am to Stinger_1066
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:24 am to cypher
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"a ceasefire is not a success", Zelenskyy stresses
frick that spawn of Satan.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:30 am to John Barron
Everyone who pays attention has known that Zero Hedge has been a Russian propaganda mouthpiece for decades
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:49 am to VolSquatch
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Why is answering yes or no so difficult for you?
Because I’m not 100% certain.
Now you go, is JB a paid shill? Yes or no???
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:58 am to doubleb
Are yall talking about the dude who posts here?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:00 am to Pettifogger
Yes
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:11 am to AU86
What is the Russian compromise here? Not taking all of Ukraine?
Ukraine will at best be a vassal state to Putin/Russia.
What about Ukraine in EU?
Ukraine will at best be a vassal state to Putin/Russia.
What about Ukraine in EU?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:15 am to doubleb
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Now you go, is JB a paid shill?
Absolutely Not. Shining light on lying NAFO trolls like yourself is fun. I do this shite for free
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:27 am to doubleb
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Because I’m not 100% certain.
I'm asking what you believe. You have to have an opinion one way or the other.
The JB issue is a different question. You can 100% tell me with 100% accuracy whether or not you believe Citizen, with a yes or no answer. I cannot 100% tell you JB is or is a paid Russian shill because that is an actual fact, not what I believe. I answered what I believe with 'probably not' based on logic, reason, and probability. I also pointed out that I don't find his posts particularly compelling because of the format, though when he actually has commentary some of it is good.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:28 am
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