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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:02 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:02 pm to Chromdome35
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Video of Trump saying Russia has "lost" 800K soldiers and Ukraine 600-700K lost. Lost could mean casualties and not deaths.
And those numbers are still way to high for both Russia and Ukraine. The War would be over if those KIA/WIA numbers were correct. Trump is trying to negotiate a end to the War. It's not a surprise that he would use exaggerated numbers for both sides. Like I said in a previous post. Russia has had a 10:1 artillery advantage during this War and has less casualties then Ukraine. Total KIA/WIA numbers are more like
Russia= 350k to 400k
Ukraine= 450k to 500k
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Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:08 pm to John Barron
It doesn't make much sense that Trump would exaggerate numbers for negotiation purposes. Do you not think that Putin knows exactly how many casualties Russia has incurred?
How would Trump incorrectly saying Russia has had 1M or 800K losses help Trump's negotiating position?
I'm inclined to believe Trump. He has access to more info on this war than anyone reading this post. Maybe someday, after real final numbers are known, one of us can come back here and say, "I told you so"
How would Trump incorrectly saying Russia has had 1M or 800K losses help Trump's negotiating position?
I'm inclined to believe Trump. He has access to more info on this war than anyone reading this post. Maybe someday, after real final numbers are known, one of us can come back here and say, "I told you so"
This post was edited on 1/22/25 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:16 pm to Chromdome35
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help Trump's negotiating position?
He is trying to put Public pressure on Putin to negotiate. I didn't say it was going to work. Trump is known for exaggerating numbers. He also said the Soviet Union lost 60 million soldiers in WW2 today
This is all irrelevant anyway. There is no way Russia or Ukraine has lost the numbers Trump said. The War would already be over if that was the case.Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:19 pm to John Barron
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He is trying to put Public pressure on Putin to negotiate.
I don't think Putin gives 2 shits about public pressure from the West. And as far as pressure from the Russian public, how much exposure do you think the average Russian on the street will have to Trump's comments?
FYI, I am not arguing with you, I am attempting to have a mature conversation/debate about this. This is something that has been lacking between all sides in this thread (and our national discourse).
This post was edited on 1/22/25 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:34 pm to Chromdome35
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I don't think Putin gives 2 shits about public pressure from the West. And as far as pressure from the Russian public, how much exposure do you think the average Russian on the street will have to Trump's comments?
Zero exposure but they see their grocery bill and see their deferred wages. Hungry people can get real mean real fast
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:35 pm to CitizenK
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:37 pm to CitizenK
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Zero exposure but they see their grocery bill and see their deferred wages. Hungry people can get real mean real fast
Yea but that doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about...ie. Trump's comments on the casualties. And if those comments will get any public exposure in Russia. If Trump's comments don't get visibility in Russia, then there is no negotiating leverage to be gained by exaggerating the numbers.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:37 pm to OMLandshark
Russians lose many in meat waves that is just the nature of their attacks.
In Iraq, friends in Fallujah would see hundreds of jihadis mowed the phuck down without taking a single casualty, in just an hour or two
In Iraq, friends in Fallujah would see hundreds of jihadis mowed the phuck down without taking a single casualty, in just an hour or two
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:40 pm to John Barron
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Yes. If it was double that like you suggested this War would be over.
I did not “suggest” those numbers, Trump did.
I think they are in line with other major wars, with the number of shells fired, the armor destroyed and the level of havoc ftom Drones, etc.
ETA- and it makes no sense that it is a negotiating ploy.
This post was edited on 1/22/25 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:50 pm to Chromdome35
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I don't think Putin gives 2 shits about public pressure from the West. And as far as pressure from the Russian public, how much exposure do you think the average Russian on the street will have to Trump's comments?
I agree with what your saying. This does not matter to Trump though. Trump is going to negotiate how he has all his life. This is how he does it. Exaggerates numbers and possible outcomes like taking over Greenland for a better negotiating position
Posted on 1/22/25 at 6:23 pm to John Barron
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He is trying to put Public pressure on Putin to negotiate. I didn't say it was going to work. Trump is known for exaggerating numbers. He also said the Soviet Union lost 60 million soldiers in WW2 today
1. He is being fed numbers by the CIA
2. The 60 million dead in WWII he was referring to was total deaths for the war. It is estimated that 60-65 million people died during WWII. That includes everyone/worldwide. When I first heard that I thought he got that one wrong (I thought that he meant Soviet deaths only), but he meant total deaths in the war. So he was right.
3. Soviets lost an estimated 27 million soldiers/civilians.
This post was edited on 1/22/25 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 6:52 pm to OMLandshark
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Don’t threaten me with a good time.
How about a spoonful of reality?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:13 pm to MoarKilometers
(no message)
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:15 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:18 pm to John Barron
Posted on 1/22/25 at 7:57 pm to Chromdome35
quote:
I don't think Putin gives 2 shits about public pressure from the West.
Probably doesn't want us ginning up harsher sanctions though. And we could increase sanctions but I guess that is not public pressure.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:47 pm to OMLandshark
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BREAKING: Vladimir Putin is reportedly seeking to have Anthony Fauci EXTRADITED to Russia to face COVID-era ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ Charges as part of a Deal to end the War in Ukraine.
You actually are retarded enough to think that's real.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:11 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:18 pm to John Barron
I thought they destroyed ALL of Ukraine's power generation power at least twice. Dayum those Ukrainians work fast.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 9:34 pm to John Barron
ISW Updatw Jan 22
quote:
Key Takeaways:
The Kremlin has launched an information operation that seeks to create the false impression that the Russian economy is performing well despite numerous continued indicators of macroeconomic distress.
Russia continues long-term efforts to build out its manpower reserve with All-Russian Cossack Society organizations and create a willing and well-trained prioritized pool designed to buffer the Kremlin from potential blowback in the event of a possible future partial call up of Russian reservists.
North Korea will reportedly deploy new military personnel to Russia by mid-March 2025, likely to maintain the current pace and intensity of attritional, infantry-led assaults in Kursk Oblast.
These fresh North Korean forces are unlikely to decisively improve Russian operations and will likely face the same high casualty rates and complications operating with Russian forces as the current North Korean contingent, provided the Russian command continues to use North Korean forces the same way as it has thus far.
Russian milbloggers complained and expressed concern over recent claims that the Hayat Tahrir al Sham (HTS)-led interim government in Syria suspended Russian investment and financial involvement in the port of Tartus as Russia's long-term military presence in Syria remains unclear.
A Russian state media outlet reported that Russia may resume direct gas deliveries to Transnistria despite recent discussions about sourcing non-Russian gas to the region.
Ukrainian forces recently recaptured lost positions near Toretsk.
Russian forces recently advanced near Chasiv Yar, Toretsk, Pokrovsk, Kurakhove, and Velyka Novosilka.
Russia and Uzbekistan are deepening military cooperation.
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