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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:04 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:04 pm to VolSquatch
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You need ChatGPT to do your thinking for you?
Not surprised. He was one of the ones claiming it was a reverse image video
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:46 pm to Camp Randall
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I knew people were dumb but I really didn’t think I’d see Americans pulling for Russians, North Koreans, Iranians, and Syrians in my lifetime
Yep. True Patriots wouldn’t think of it back in the red blooded American days. Trump decided to publicly defend Putin against the US intelligence agencies and that was all it took…
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:58 pm to Camp Randall
the former UK prime minister sums up my opinion of Americans rooting for Putin.
https://fortune.com/2024/11/11/boris-johnson-trump-advisors-love-putin-whispering-nonsense/
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Boris Johnson cautioned that the Republican party "has a weird sort of homoerotic fascination with Putin"
Boris Johnson says President-elect Donald Trump was “pretty tough” on Vladimir Putin the last time he was in the Oval Office. But this time around, his longtime political ally is concerned that freedom and democracy globally are now more at risk—the former prime minister of the U.K. claimed Trump has advisors who admire the Russian dictator whispering into his ear.
On stage at Fortune’s Global Forum conference on Monday, Johnson cautioned that the Republican party “has a weird sort of homoerotic fascination with Putin, which I personally don’t share.”
“Some of these people think he’s an all-around stand-up guy and they love his manly Christianity,” he said. “It’s complete nonsense. He’s a tyrant and a kleptocrat and a murderer and a very, very dangerous and bad man.”
“But there’s no question that some of those people are in the 47th President’s ear, and they’re whispering a lot of absolute nonsense to him.”
The British politician accused Viktor Orbán, the Prime Minister of Hungary, of doing the same. “There’s a lot of dangerous, poisonous, pernicious talk at the moment,” Johnson added. “I am hoping and hoping and hoping that that argument will not succeed, and I’m hoping that the argument for democracy and freedom will succeed—and I’m basing my optimism on what I saw last time around.”
Johnson is, of course, referring to Trump’s proposed peace deal. The billionaire boomerang president has repeatedly said that he would put a stop to the more than two and a half years of war in Ukraine “within 24 hours” should he be reinstalled in the White House.
The Kremlin has denied media reports that Trump held a call with Putin, in which he is said to have warned the Russian president against escalating the war in Ukraine.
Either way, Johnson insisted that “there is a genuine risk that the deal will be done that is not in the interests of freedom and democracy.”
“I’m absolutely convinced that it would be a disaster for the world if Ukraine were to go down,” he added. “I nonetheless cling to my memory of Trump when he was in office, where actually he was pretty tough on Putin.”
“So look, I’m just putting it out there. (If) anybody’s in touch with the president elect, here is a golden opportunity to show that the previous administration has been weak because it has not given the Ukrainians provisions they need.”
“The American people re-elected President Trump because they trust him to lead our country and restore peace through strength around the world,” Karoline Leavitt, a spokesperson for Trump told Fortune. “When he returns to the White House, he will take the necessary action to do just that.”
https://fortune.com/2024/11/11/boris-johnson-trump-advisors-love-putin-whispering-nonsense/
LINK
Boris Johnson cautioned that the Republican party "has a weird sort of homoerotic fascination with Putin"
Boris Johnson says President-elect Donald Trump was “pretty tough” on Vladimir Putin the last time he was in the Oval Office. But this time around, his longtime political ally is concerned that freedom and democracy globally are now more at risk—the former prime minister of the U.K. claimed Trump has advisors who admire the Russian dictator whispering into his ear.
On stage at Fortune’s Global Forum conference on Monday, Johnson cautioned that the Republican party “has a weird sort of homoerotic fascination with Putin, which I personally don’t share.”
“Some of these people think he’s an all-around stand-up guy and they love his manly Christianity,” he said. “It’s complete nonsense. He’s a tyrant and a kleptocrat and a murderer and a very, very dangerous and bad man.”
“But there’s no question that some of those people are in the 47th President’s ear, and they’re whispering a lot of absolute nonsense to him.”
The British politician accused Viktor Orbán, the Prime Minister of Hungary, of doing the same. “There’s a lot of dangerous, poisonous, pernicious talk at the moment,” Johnson added. “I am hoping and hoping and hoping that that argument will not succeed, and I’m hoping that the argument for democracy and freedom will succeed—and I’m basing my optimism on what I saw last time around.”
Johnson is, of course, referring to Trump’s proposed peace deal. The billionaire boomerang president has repeatedly said that he would put a stop to the more than two and a half years of war in Ukraine “within 24 hours” should he be reinstalled in the White House.
The Kremlin has denied media reports that Trump held a call with Putin, in which he is said to have warned the Russian president against escalating the war in Ukraine.
Either way, Johnson insisted that “there is a genuine risk that the deal will be done that is not in the interests of freedom and democracy.”
“I’m absolutely convinced that it would be a disaster for the world if Ukraine were to go down,” he added. “I nonetheless cling to my memory of Trump when he was in office, where actually he was pretty tough on Putin.”
“So look, I’m just putting it out there. (If) anybody’s in touch with the president elect, here is a golden opportunity to show that the previous administration has been weak because it has not given the Ukrainians provisions they need.”
“The American people re-elected President Trump because they trust him to lead our country and restore peace through strength around the world,” Karoline Leavitt, a spokesperson for Trump told Fortune. “When he returns to the White House, he will take the necessary action to do just that.”
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:39 pm to RelicBatches86
Isw Update Nov 21
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Key Takeaways:
Russian President Vladimir Putin intensified his reflexive control campaign aimed at Ukraine and its Western partners by conducting an ostentatious ballistic missile strike against Ukraine that used multiple reentry vehicles on November 21.
Putin explicitly threatened that Russia may attack Western countries that support Ukrainian deep strikes in Russia and rhetorically connected the November 21 ballistic missile strike to Russian nuclear capabilities - a marked intensification of an existing Russian information operation that aims to use explicit threats and nuclear saber-rattling to discourage continued Western military support for Ukraine.
Putin’s November 21 statement demonstrates that Moscow’s constant saber-rattling largely remains rhetorical.
Neither the Oreshnik ballistic missile strike nor Putin's November 21 statement represent a significant inflection in Russian strike capabilities or likeliness to use a nuclear weapon.
The Kremlin continues to demonstrate its full commitment to use the prospect of "negotiations" with Ukraine and the West to pursue nothing short of the total destruction of the Ukrainian state despite Russian President Vladimir Putin's efforts to posture himself as amenable to peace negotiations.
North Korean troops are reportedly training alongside Russian naval infantry and airborne (VDV) units.
North Korea's ability to learn and integrate lessons from fighting alongside Russia is likely to be significantly degraded if the Russian military command uses North Korean troops in the same highly attritional infantry-led assaults that it uses most Russian personnel.
Russian forces recently marginally advanced in the main Ukrainian salient in Kursk Oblast southeast of Sudzha.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced north of Vuhledar. Russian forces recently advanced northwest of Kreminna, southeast of Chasiv Yar, in Toretsk, southeast of Kurakhove, northeast of Vuhledar, and likely advanced northeast of Velyka Novosilka.
The Russian State Duma adopted a three-year federal budget with record defense expenditures from 2025-2027.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 8:51 pm to doubleb
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Trump had the right idea. Wean Europe off the American team. Force them to stand on their own two feet. Get them to do that while we still provide throw weight and leadership.
We (the US) wanted a Europe made up of relatively week individual nations on purpose, because of something called "History." And it created "The Long Peace," with no wars between these countries who used to have disputes all the time.
To have them bulk up their individual military strengths, at a time when most are starting to suffer from Demographic collapse and the accompanying social instability... when Far Right groups (including Neo-NAZIs) surprisingly get more popular... or when the necessity of importing an immigrant workforce may place those militaries, ultimately, in hands you don't expect to control them... doesn't make the future seem that peaceful to me.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:19 pm to doubleb
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My hope is this “adventure” drains Russia and forced them to work with Europe for peace on that continent and give up their want for an empire.
Without an Empire, Russia will cease to be a functioning Nation in 10-20 years...
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:37 pm to cypher
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secondary explosions, however no info yet on what was hit...
How many $20M missiles without warheads can Putin launch in retaliation?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:44 pm to Camp Randall
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I knew people were dumb but I really didn’t think I’d see Americans pulling for Russians, North Koreans, Iranians, and Syrians in my lifetime.
I would state this as "I knew people were dumb but I really didn’t think I’d see Americans pulling for Putin, Kim, Khomeini and his Mullahs, and Assad in my lifetime."
I'm pulling for the people in each of those countries... especially for them to free themselves from these a-hole dictators.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:54 pm to Lee B
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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In a vacuum yes, but the measures, despite their speed, do represent the seriousness of European countries. All indications are that these countries are preparing for something towards the end of the decade and into the 2030s. I think that might reveal they are more cynical about Ukranian prospects, but also it wouldn't be useful to deploy troops while nearly all the major militaries in the region are in the middle of reorganization.
That’s fair and I largely agree. I do wonder if some of this reorg is more about not being caught flat footed IF there is a next time more so than it is a signal that the power brokers in Europe actually think there will be a next time. Russia has shown they have been a paper tiger thus far, and will face significant issues economically and demographically moving forward no matter how the rest of the Ukraine war plays out.
But I’ve said before I could see them coming out of the other side of this significantly stronger than they are now in the long term, because they will have to rebuild stocks of the things they are burning through currently in Ukraine. They are learning on the fly how to win in modern conflicts, probably better than we are since they are actually the ones facing down the more modern weapons in a lot of cases. The war time restructure of their economy will be there and they made decide to just eat the inflation and rebuild their military while the economy is rigged for it. So should that come to fruition (and that’s not any kind of concrete prediction, just a possibility) it’s good that Europe is preparing itself. Countries mass produce weapons to use them, not to put them in storage and let them rot.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:03 pm to Lee B
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To have them bulk up their individual military strengths, at a time when most are starting to suffer from Demographic collapse and the accompanying social instability... when Far Right groups (including Neo-NAZIs) surprisingly get more popular... or when the necessity of importing an immigrant workforce may place those militaries, ultimately, in hands you don't expect to control them... doesn't make the future seem that peaceful to me.
Drastically changing demographics and voting bases in some of these countries will create more instability than neo-nazis. Neo-Nazis hold no real power and can’t even show their faces in most countries. It’s kind of a left wing boogeyman at this point.
A bunch of largely poor, largely poorly educated people from unstable regions getting voting power though? Who knows what will happen there. And a significant tpart of the risk with that isn’t even the immigrants or who they vote for themselves, it’s who the natives vote for in response to the immigration once it gets out of control and becomes unpopular. I think Trump is mostly a good thing for the country, but hyper partisan politics has gone through the roof in the US since he came on the scene and he is a result of exactly what I’m talking about. If it wasn’t him it could have easily been a far more sinister force.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 1:38 am to Camp Randall
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I really didn’t think I’d see Americans pulling for Russians, North Koreans, Iranians, and Syrians in my lifetime.
I'm a Boomer. When we were kids we were propagandized to hate everything that could be labeled "communist".
Then we grew up, and technology came along that gave us access to other sources of information, plus global travel became a thing for the masses.
People became more enlightened and figured out that everything was not black and white, but grey, and that there are cases where we should not blindly accept what our government and news media tell us, and that we should question and oppose the actions of our own government.
That doesn't mean people "pull" for Russia, NK, Iran or Syria. It just means they understand there are multiple sides to every story.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 4:09 am to Stinger_1066
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I'm a Boomer. When we were kids we were propagandized to hate everything that could be labeled "communist".
Then we grew up, and technology came along that gave us access to other sources of information, plus global travel became a thing for the masses.
People became more enlightened and figured out that everything was not black and white, but grey, and that there are cases where we should not blindly accept what our government and news media tell us, and that we should question and oppose the actions of our own government.
You and Bernie Sanders and some other idiots became woke. Most of your generation rejoiced when America, under Reagan's leadership, defeated the Evil Empire and millions of people in countries such as Romania were freed from Communist dictatorship.
You are a perfect example of the new woke Right, the group that decided that the Left was correct that America was evil.
This post was edited on 11/22/24 at 4:16 am
Posted on 11/22/24 at 4:35 am to GOP_Tiger
All of the "blame America" nuts on the far Left agree:
Posted on 11/22/24 at 4:50 am to GOP_Tiger
NATO head Mark Rutte is en route to Florida to meet with Trump. Rutte and Trump have a good relationship that goes back to 2018, when Trump famously attacked the failure of many NATO countries to spend 2%, and Rutte agreed with him (unlike many other European leaders at the time).
Posted on 11/22/24 at 4:55 am to GOP_Tiger
The value of the ruble plummeted yesterday to 103 to the dollar.
The last time that this happened, the Russian Central Bank spiked interest rates to get it back under control. But right now, the base interest rate is already over 20%, so what can they do now?
The last time that this happened, the Russian Central Bank spiked interest rates to get it back under control. But right now, the base interest rate is already over 20%, so what can they do now?
Posted on 11/22/24 at 6:31 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:They will have to implement a State-controlled command economy so the leadership may resolve the underlying issues.
The last time that this happened, the Russian Central Bank spiked interest rates to get it back under control. But right now, the base interest rate is already over 20%, so what can they do now?
Oh... wait.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 7:16 am to Stinger_1066
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That doesn't mean people "pull" for Russia, NK, Iran or Syria. It just means they understand there are multiple sides to every story.
Then you remember Korea?
Posted on 11/22/24 at 7:29 am to GOP_Tiger
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the group that decided that the Left was correct that America was evil.
America is not evil, but our federal government is.
You are an example of the neocon nuts like Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol. You are probably a W Bush nut. Loved and supported the travesty in Iraq. Endless wars. You now cozy up to the socialist left that now loves war. Your type is now in bed with the progressive left that a few years ago was calling you and your idols war criminals. Politics make strange bed fellows
Your allies are now Biden/Kamala voters.
This post was edited on 11/22/24 at 7:45 am
Posted on 11/22/24 at 8:02 am to AU86
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Your type is now in bed with the progressive left that a few years ago was calling you and your idols war criminals. Politics make strange bed fellows
Kind of like the NATO Bad, BRICS good Tucker crowd is now in bed with the antifa far left. You probably have Chomsky on your bedside table. What a world.
This post was edited on 11/22/24 at 8:05 am
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