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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:42 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298977 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:42 am to
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War profiteers.


I think they are all one and the same. Old men rattling sabers arent particularly concerned about war, just money. They manage the war for the most profit.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:05 am to
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These people are delusional. Neocon warmongers that are obsessed with this war and death. Strangest thing I have ever seen.


You have to keep repeating these lies to yourself to try to convince yourself that your lies are true, because you know that the real warmongers are the Russia bros in here cheering on the invaders who rape and murder the innocent.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3945 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:07 am to
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So per you guys Russia has this huge propaganda operation (this part is true), their people have been subjugated to the point where it seems like they enjoy it, people with opposing viewpoints end up falling out of windows (true), but they are going to overthrow Putin if he doesn't get the "maximalist demand" in a peace deal?


You are talking about the "Russian people." I'm talking about Georgia and Chechnya, both of which have been trying to leave Russia's orbit since the collapse of the USSR and have been invaded and bombed into submission... they will rebel the minute they think they can, along with some of the -'Stans, who've already taken advantage of the movement of Russian military from their areas to rebel a bit...

But once the ball gets rolling... when your rule is based on brute strength and you no longer appear to be strong... there is no retirement home for Dictators. When there's a chink in the armor... "Et tu, Brutus?"

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:08 am to
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quote:I’ve been wondering about that for two years. Is this the best Russia can do?

I doubt it, but its certainly possible


Short of nukes, I believe this is their best. Why wouldn’t it be? Why would they be holding back? Why would they be sending hundreds of thousands to get injured or killed if they could do more conventionally?

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15669 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:13 am to
Some real brain fart comments this morning.

The Underpants Gnomes are back.

Dayum all those towns and villages completely destroyed in WWII are still in ruins according to the clueless.

As for Russia's economy, its now in a war economy and the US experienced that Post WWII. The one reason the US economy recovered so quickly (it was crap for 1946) was that it had all its industrial base intact and not so much in the rest of the world. Ammonium nitrate plants built for the war effort began exporting it as fertilizer. Airplane, tank, truck and jeep plants were turned into automobile manufacturing, but that took actual retooling and didn/t happen overnight. No one is going to be buying anything made in Russia anytime soon, just like finished goods made in Russia were not desired elsewhere due crappy.

Natural gas continues to be cheaper in Europe than in 2021. Russia won't be able to continue to subsidize Hungary with underpriced natural gas much longer.

Private companies mostly from Turkey already dominate the oil seed crushing plants in Ukraine.

The idiots who buy the crap Mike Benz et al share (he doesn't know shiite from shinola outside of internet and communications agreements) all think that Pissing on a Flat Blackrock etc... bought up Russia and Central Asia a few decades ago. What a phucking idiot that Benz is.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298977 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:15 am to
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Some real brain fart comments this morning.


This war has gone exactly like we told you it would go.

There is no happy ending for Ukraine without third party infantry support.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:19 am to
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This war has gone exactly like we told you it would go


I remember back in February of 22 all you Putin apologists said the war would be over in less than 33 months. Ya’ll nailed it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298977 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:20 am to


I remember back in February of 22 all you Putin apologists

Doesnt exist, Junior.


quote:

said the war would be over in less than 33 months. Ya’ll nailed it.


Link it up. I never said anything remotely. I told you dipshits this would be a world war one battle of attrition with no end.

thats exactly what it is.
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
1861 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:23 am to
Poli board has gone full retard.. Half those baws are practicing duck and cover.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:25 am to
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Link it up. I never said anything remotely. I told you dipshits this would be a world war one battle of attrition with no end.


Dipshit? I was being facetious.

But you need to get with some of your associates. They have had the war ending a long time ago.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298977 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:28 am to
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But you need to get with some of your associates. They have had the war ending a long time ago.


Its not going to end on the battlefield.

I think everyone realizes this now.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:35 am to
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Its not going to end on the battlefield. I think everyone realizes this now.


It looks that way right now.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:38 am to
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No, Ukraine is going to fix its manpower issues


The easiest way for Ukraine to fix its manpower issues is to draft males between the ages of 18 and 25. That would give them a 1 million to 1.5 million to draft from. I emailed my sauce(s) over there and the idea of doing like Israel and conscripting women especially for noncombat roles is starting to become very popular.

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most of which resulted from the delays in western arms shipments.



If the west would get their arms shipments to Ukraine in a timely manner and keep from blabbing about Ukraine's plans to the media this would be a different war.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:15 am to
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Why wouldn’t it be? Why would they be holding back? Why would they be sending hundreds of thousands to get injured or killed if they could do more conventionally?



Already laid out why in another comment
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:17 am to
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Putin apologists


Basically anyone who doesn't want to get on their knees for Zelensky is a Putin apologist per the Ukraine First crowd
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298977 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:18 am to
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Basically anyone who doesn't want to get on their knees for Zelensky is a Putin apologist per the Ukraine First crowd


Its a fricking hive mind cult.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
12171 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:23 am to
trying to win a logical fallacy contest
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87316 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:38 am to
I've tried peaceably and at length to get some of the most die hard cheerleaders for the war's continuation and the deepening involvement of the US to acknowledge how frequently (almost without exception) that US foreign entanglements ended with considerable, undesired, unintended (at least to the US population) consequences.

There is just no room for any acknowledgement of possible hubris, which is where I think things go from reasoned (even if wrong) to obsessive/cult-like.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:45 am to
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Basically anyone who doesn't want to get on their knees for Zelensky is a Putin apologist per the Ukraine First crowd


WRONG

It’s all the people that make excuses for Putin invading Ukraine in 2014 and ratcheting things up in 2022. The war began years before Zekensky got into politics, but somehow you Putin apologists want to blame him and make him out as the bad guy.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:49 am to
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Already laid out why in another comment


So you don’t know. Neither do I, but if he could I think he would have done everything he could short of nukes already.

He has already had to rely on foreign suppliers for artillery shells, drones and now manpower. Who would have guessed that in year three that thousands of N Korea would be needed to throw Ukraine out of Kursk?
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