re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted by VolSquatch

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:58 am to Pettifogger

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There is just no room for any acknowledgement of possible hubris, which is where I think things go from reasoned (even if wrong) to obsessive/cult-like.

If you don't check every box in their belief system you are wrong and the enemy, basically

Posted by VolSquatch

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:59 am to doubleb

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So you don’t know. Neither do I, but if he could I think he would have done everything he could short of nukes already.

Then why didn't he do anything for roughly 2 years? The lines settled and the two side kind of just sat there for a while.

So yeah, I do know why. Its one of the three reason that I laid out.

Posted by VolSquatch

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:01 am to doubleb

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It’s all the people that make excuses for Putin invading Ukraine in 2014 and ratcheting things up in 2022. The war began years before Zekensky got into politics, but somehow you Putin apologists want to blame him and make him out as the bad guy.

I don't think its Zelensky's fault, I just think hes an idiot who is likely corrupt. I regularly say Putin is corrupt, a murderer, Russia is inept, etc etc etc but yeah I'm definitely a 'Putin apologist'

God forbid people notice that geopolitical events almost always have multiple drivers.

Noticing - Illegal in 2024.

Posted by WestCoastAg

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:02 am to VolSquatch

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Basically anyone who doesn't want to get on their knees for Zelensky is a Putin apologist per the Ukraine First crowd

basically anyone who thinks we shouldn't just let Putin get what he wants and want to uphold the international rule of law is a war mongering deep state puppet who want to the see the US get in an active war per the PoliTards

This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 10:03 am

Posted by VolSquatch

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:14 am to WestCoastAg

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war mongering deep state puppet who want to the see the US get in an active war per the PoliTards

You don't consciously want this, you're just not intelligent enough to realize that's where your positions lead

Posted by cypher

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:19 am to WestCoastAg

Zelenskyy comments on attack on Russian arsenal in Bryansk: Ukraine will use all long-range capabilities

VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Tuesday, 19 November 2024, 17:10

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy declined to confirm whether the attack on the Russian military arsenal near Bryansk was carried out by an American ATACMS missile, but he emphasised that Ukraine has long-range weapons and will employ them.

Source: Zelenskyy during a joint press conference with Danish Prime Minister Mette Fredriksen, as reported by Ukrinform

Details: The journalist asked to confirm whether the attack on the ammunition warehouse near Bryansk was actually caused by the American ATACMS missile.

Quote: "Without superfluous detail. Ukraine has long-range capabilities and produces its own long-range drones; we now have a long-range Neptune, and not just one. We now have ATACMS. We're going to use it all."

Ukrainska Pravda

Posted by WestCoastAg

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:21 am to VolSquatch

And there it is

Posted by notiger1997

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:23 am to WeeWee

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WeeWee

Any chance we may finally get to see the Kerch bridge get destroyed with the new missile strategy?
Seems like that would be a big deal if it could happen.

Posted by bigjoe1

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:32 am to notiger1997

Wonder if the Neptune has a big enough warhead to actually destroy the bridge?

Posted by doubleb

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:37 am to notiger1997

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Any chance we may finally get to see the Kerch bridge get destroyed with the new missile strategy? Seems like that would be a big deal if it could happen.

Ukraine doesnt need to bomb Moscow, St Pete or any civilian targets. They need to bomb key choke points in the Russian supply network, key air bases used to launch attacks against Ukraine and key defensive positions on the front lines.

Posted by Pettifogger

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:48 am to VolSquatch

If you promote scrutinizing on the basis of "is this in the best interest of America and American citizens" for every decision relating to this conflict...

you're somehow borderline treasonous. It's through the looking glass stuff.

Posted by WeeWee

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:50 am to Pettifogger

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I've tried peaceably and at length to get some of the most die hard cheerleaders for the war's continuation and the deepening involvement of the US to acknowledge how frequently (almost without exception) that US foreign entanglements ended with considerable, undesired, unintended (at least to the US population) consequences.

Yes and you're still wrong and refusing to admit that you are wrong. Also is it possible to go a week without having to reargue the same damn argument that has been argued countless times?

Posted by WestCoastAg

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:58 am to Pettifogger

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you're somehow borderline treasonous

you are just as treasonous as I am a war monger who supports the start of ww3

This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 11:00 am

Posted by VolSquatch

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:04 am to WestCoastAg

I also think you and others can't seem to grasp that a large part of the opposition to completely cucking out for Ukraine is that Ukraine is a shithole that we just don't care about and that isn't at all important

Posted by doubleb

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:09 am to VolSquatch

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I also think you and others can't seem to grasp that a large part of the opposition to completely cucking out for Ukraine is that Ukraine is a shithole that we just don't care about and that isn't at all important

Then the US, Russia and the UK shouldn’t have guaranteed to insure their sovereignty.

Posted by Auburn1968

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:16 am to doubleb

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Ukraine doesnt need to bomb Moscow, St Pete or any civilian targets. They need to bomb key choke points in the Russian supply network, key air bases used to launch attacks against Ukraine and key defensive positions on the front lines.

It is a waste of munitions to attack civilian targets and the terrorism effect more often than not backfires in any event.

Posted by Pettifogger

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:21 am to WeeWee

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Yes and you're still wrong and refusing to admit that you are wrong.

What on earth does this mean

We have no idea if I'm wrong or not and probably won't for a while - that's the entire point

Posted by Pettifogger

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Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:24 am to WestCoastAg

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you are just as treasonous as I am a war monger who supports the start of ww3

You're promoting the continuation of a war until a foreign country achieves its objective, which arguably makes you a warmonger, IMO.

But I think you can hold that view without being unreasonable, provided it's accompanied by a genuine belief that Ukraine's victory is best for the US and some acknowledgement that there are significant risks, known and unknown - to US interests by taking these paths.